I don't need no filter !!!
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hatessushi
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Originally Posted by just fishings
I don't need no filter!!!
95% of keeping a successful tank is ATTITUDE!!
I don't need no filter!!!
95% of keeping a successful tank is ATTITUDE!!
teen
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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
I thought you were going to use them for nitrate reduction. honestly IMO I dont think the impact on nitrates would be noticeable. if your going to use them for that I would look into it a bit more. if your doing it for looks whats to research? thats a preferance thing.
i am planning on using them for nitrate reduction. they're the only coral that imo, will be able to survive in a BB tank because of the low nutrient level. you said it yourself, there mostly photo dependant. thats what gives them the edge over shrooms. the shrooms would eventually die because of lack of nutrients from the water, while the xenia would be photo dependant and be able to live and hopefully pull out some trates. i feel if i have a 29g fuge full of xenia, they will impact the trates.
I thought you were going to use them for nitrate reduction. honestly IMO I dont think the impact on nitrates would be noticeable. if your going to use them for that I would look into it a bit more. if your doing it for looks whats to research? thats a preferance thing.
i am planning on using them for nitrate reduction. they're the only coral that imo, will be able to survive in a BB tank because of the low nutrient level. you said it yourself, there mostly photo dependant. thats what gives them the edge over shrooms. the shrooms would eventually die because of lack of nutrients from the water, while the xenia would be photo dependant and be able to live and hopefully pull out some trates. i feel if i have a 29g fuge full of xenia, they will impact the trates.
aztec reef
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macroalgeas/cheato are only as good as your harvesting rituals. so if you'are not constantly harvesting it, a different microalgea will probably work better depending on your ecosystem...
just fishings
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All this talk about xenia and mushrooms. I have more stalks of xenia in my DT than I can count. I have never had a problem with nitrates going crazy. I have heard they do pull out the trats but I would think going with a true refugium tank the plants ability would be more noticable? RIGHT. I as well have mushrooms and xenia in my 10 gal refugium. I think the amount of food avalible for the mushrooms would count in where you are going to take the water from....strait out of the dt or from some side hose out of your sump.
I am studing people knowledge because I want to build a wall tank of about 1125gal in my new house; the cost of filtering, power, and chemicals would make it very costly over the long term of the tank. Plus you hear so much about a tank crashing over time from changing out to much of this or that or not doing enough. To make a large enough refugium tank would that not make all the filtering you ever would need?
HatesSushi
95% of keeping a successful tank is ATTITUDE!!
Is this saying that what you put into it is what you are going to get out? Being that there is; in your opion, no easy sure way out of having a great tank without putting the time into it? :notsure:
I am studing people knowledge because I want to build a wall tank of about 1125gal in my new house; the cost of filtering, power, and chemicals would make it very costly over the long term of the tank. Plus you hear so much about a tank crashing over time from changing out to much of this or that or not doing enough. To make a large enough refugium tank would that not make all the filtering you ever would need?
HatesSushi
95% of keeping a successful tank is ATTITUDE!!
Is this saying that what you put into it is what you are going to get out? Being that there is; in your opion, no easy sure way out of having a great tank without putting the time into it? :notsure:
reefkprz
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Originally Posted by teen
i am planning on using them for nitrate reduction. they're the only coral that imo, will be able to survive in a BB tank because of the low nutrient level. you said it yourself, there mostly photo dependant. thats what gives them the edge over shrooms. the shrooms would eventually die because of lack of nutrients from the water, while the xenia would be photo dependant and be able to live and hopefully pull out some trates. i feel if i have a 29g fuge full of xenia, they will impact the trates.
I agree they will have some impact on the trates, every little bit helps. but a lesser amount of chaeto say 1 cup will have the same nitrate reducing capacity as a whole 29g covered in xenia. do you see what I am saying here? I'm not trying to say they wont reduce nitrates or say that its a bad Idea, I'm just saying the impact wont be as signifigant as someone may have lead you to believe. I just wanted you to know that your over all nitrate reduction capacity wont really be boosted all that much.
but i bet a bare botton 29g carpeted in xenia would look awesome!
i am planning on using them for nitrate reduction. they're the only coral that imo, will be able to survive in a BB tank because of the low nutrient level. you said it yourself, there mostly photo dependant. thats what gives them the edge over shrooms. the shrooms would eventually die because of lack of nutrients from the water, while the xenia would be photo dependant and be able to live and hopefully pull out some trates. i feel if i have a 29g fuge full of xenia, they will impact the trates.
I agree they will have some impact on the trates, every little bit helps. but a lesser amount of chaeto say 1 cup will have the same nitrate reducing capacity as a whole 29g covered in xenia. do you see what I am saying here? I'm not trying to say they wont reduce nitrates or say that its a bad Idea, I'm just saying the impact wont be as signifigant as someone may have lead you to believe. I just wanted you to know that your over all nitrate reduction capacity wont really be boosted all that much.
but i bet a bare botton 29g carpeted in xenia would look awesome!
jerthunter
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You mentioned slowly draining and replacing water over time. One comment about this continuous method of water changes is that it is not as efficent at reducing undesireables and replacing desireables as the standard drain and refill method. The problem is since you are adding new water at the same time you are removing old water you end up draining out a ratio of the new good water with the old water.
Just something you might want to think about if you plan on doing this method, you will probably go through more salt and water for the same results. A pro would be that it is continuous and automatic, the con would be it might cost a bit more.
Just something you might want to think about if you plan on doing this method, you will probably go through more salt and water for the same results. A pro would be that it is continuous and automatic, the con would be it might cost a bit more.
teen
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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
I agree they will have some impact on the trates, every little bit helps. but a lesser amount of chaeto say 1 cup will have the same nitrate reducing capacity as a whole 29g covered in xenia. do you see what I am saying here? I'm not trying to say they wont reduce nitrates or say that its a bad Idea, I'm just saying the impact wont be as signifigant as someone may have lead you to believe. I just wanted you to know that your over all nitrate reduction capacity wont really be boosted all that much.
but i bet a bare botton 29g carpeted in xenia would look awesome!
i understand what your saying. if you notice in my second post i said xenia and chaeto.
I agree they will have some impact on the trates, every little bit helps. but a lesser amount of chaeto say 1 cup will have the same nitrate reducing capacity as a whole 29g covered in xenia. do you see what I am saying here? I'm not trying to say they wont reduce nitrates or say that its a bad Idea, I'm just saying the impact wont be as signifigant as someone may have lead you to believe. I just wanted you to know that your over all nitrate reduction capacity wont really be boosted all that much.
but i bet a bare botton 29g carpeted in xenia would look awesome!
i understand what your saying. if you notice in my second post i said xenia and chaeto.
reefkprz
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yeah I did notice that thats why I used chaeto as an example. I just wanted you to know that it wasn't a powerful form of nitrate reduction, if you are aware of that then My job here is done.
I was thinking maybe some one told you xenia was one of the best ways to remove nitrates.... Ya never know.
reefreak29
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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
Really? where did you find that information? I would love to see the article or data on that.
yes ive also herd this
Really? where did you find that information? I would love to see the article or data on that.
yes ive also herd this
just fishings
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I am new to the whole thing. I have been doing salt for about 3 years but my first two years was with a nano tank that had everything in it and all I did was fill it up! My corals where very basic and underpopulated so I had no trouble. I have and am planning to add new corals that depend on water's to be perfect. As well I want to fill up the tank with color; which will become more of a load on the system. I fill like it is better to be ready for the project ahead than to wait till I lose animals to start!
TEEN you probably dont have nitrates because of your DSB
What does that mean...DSB? :notsure:
I have heard the xenia pulses faster the more nitrates you have in you water but I didn't know that it takes it out!!! With over 40 xenia stalks in my tank I should be good for a while!! With all this talk about it does anyone know it's reassoning for crashing?
TEEN you probably dont have nitrates because of your DSB
What does that mean...DSB? :notsure:
I have heard the xenia pulses faster the more nitrates you have in you water but I didn't know that it takes it out!!! With over 40 xenia stalks in my tank I should be good for a while!! With all this talk about it does anyone know it's reassoning for crashing?
earlybird
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Originally Posted by teen
where is there an article saying chaeto pulls more nutrients than xenia?
They both seem to grow just as fast.
Interesting post guys. I did a superficial search for xenia and nitrates and a few others to no success. I'll try to dig deeper and I'll post what I find.
where is there an article saying chaeto pulls more nutrients than xenia?
They both seem to grow just as fast.
Interesting post guys. I did a superficial search for xenia and nitrates and a few others to no success. I'll try to dig deeper and I'll post what I find.
reefkprz
Active Member
Originally Posted by teen
where is there an article saying chaeto pulls more nutrients than xenia?
Honestly, there is none that I know of that specificly compare xenia to chaeto, but there are many many many article touting the benifit of chaeto (if you really want me to find you some I will) and I havent seen anything but rumor about the xenia thing. I cant find any valid evidence of xenisa pulling massive amounts of nitrates. if there is a valid source for this information it would be great for me to add it to my research resources. if its just myth stacked on supposition stacked on rumor, then it would be nice to break the myth before it become a "rule" of marine tanks and we all look like idiots for believeing, and repeating it. we all know how rumor and repeated mis information can be really harmfull to this hobby. thats one reason I tend to delete my posts that contain misinformation, because I dont want some one to be misinformed, myself included, also I like to know when I am wrong.
where is there an article saying chaeto pulls more nutrients than xenia?
Honestly, there is none that I know of that specificly compare xenia to chaeto, but there are many many many article touting the benifit of chaeto (if you really want me to find you some I will) and I havent seen anything but rumor about the xenia thing. I cant find any valid evidence of xenisa pulling massive amounts of nitrates. if there is a valid source for this information it would be great for me to add it to my research resources. if its just myth stacked on supposition stacked on rumor, then it would be nice to break the myth before it become a "rule" of marine tanks and we all look like idiots for believeing, and repeating it. we all know how rumor and repeated mis information can be really harmfull to this hobby. thats one reason I tend to delete my posts that contain misinformation, because I dont want some one to be misinformed, myself included, also I like to know when I am wrong.
reefkprz
Active Member
here is one on macros in general that actually illustrates a very important point growth rate as a factor in nitrate reduction.
Macroalgae
Macroalgae play an important role in closed marine systems. They utilize nutrients, such as nitrate and phosphate, which are found in abundance in most aquariums. As they grow, they take up required nutrients from the water column.
The use of macroalgae in marine aquariums is a matter of personal preference, but can provide the hobbyist with an affordable, natural means of exporting excess nutrients from the aquarium. Many hobbyists grow and harvest “purposeful” macroalgae, such as Chaetomorpha, Gracilaria, Halimeda, and Caulerpa somewhere in their systems in order to assist in the control and export of excess nutrients. By carefully cultivating and harvesting the macroalgae on a regular basis, you are literally removing excess nutrients from the aquarium. The macroalgae may be grown either in a separate section of a sump, algal turf scrubber, or even a refugium, depending upon the hobbyist’s preferences.
The degree of nutrient export provided by macroalgae is largely dependent upon the growth rate, density, and quantity of the macroalgae harvested. Under optimal conditions, some species of macroalgae can achieve tremendous growth rates, providing the hobbyist with a wonderful means to export nutrients from his or her system.
Macroalgae
Macroalgae play an important role in closed marine systems. They utilize nutrients, such as nitrate and phosphate, which are found in abundance in most aquariums. As they grow, they take up required nutrients from the water column.
The use of macroalgae in marine aquariums is a matter of personal preference, but can provide the hobbyist with an affordable, natural means of exporting excess nutrients from the aquarium. Many hobbyists grow and harvest “purposeful” macroalgae, such as Chaetomorpha, Gracilaria, Halimeda, and Caulerpa somewhere in their systems in order to assist in the control and export of excess nutrients. By carefully cultivating and harvesting the macroalgae on a regular basis, you are literally removing excess nutrients from the aquarium. The macroalgae may be grown either in a separate section of a sump, algal turf scrubber, or even a refugium, depending upon the hobbyist’s preferences.
The degree of nutrient export provided by macroalgae is largely dependent upon the growth rate, density, and quantity of the macroalgae harvested. Under optimal conditions, some species of macroalgae can achieve tremendous growth rates, providing the hobbyist with a wonderful means to export nutrients from his or her system.