I have some stupid questions

calbomb17

New Member
my mom got me a 10 gallon salt water tank for my birthday. I cycled a couple of weeks ago, and now the people at the fish store which i go to, which specializes in Salt Water Fish, have allowed me to get, 1 Coral Beauty, 1 Percula Clown, 1 Fire Gobie, 1 Black Capped Basslet, 1 Chocolate Chip Star, 1 Horseshoe Crab, 1 Cleaner Shrimp and also 1 Emerald Crab. It's alot for a small tank. I'm wondering if this is too much for the tank, and if I am going to possibly loose all these fish due to over crowding.
Also, I plan on getting a 55 gallon tank in August and I am wondering if this size is large enough for a the above, plus a flame angel and a yellow tang? what about an emperor angel?
 

birdy

Active Member
WElCOME!
Wow your LFS is crazy! Don't ever go back there. Way way way to many fish for a 10gal. I have a ten gallon and I would only put two small fish in it tops. Keep the clown and fire gobie and take the rest back. Otherwise you are in big big trouble. You are also pushing it with the chocolate chip star, they get pretty big, be sure you spot feed it meaty food. You also need to get rid of the horseshoe crab, they get HUGE! If you did not sound so sincere I would swear this is a joke. You should be able to keep the cleaner shrimp.
Now I have some other questions:
1. Do you have any live rock in the tank?
2. What type of substrate do you have (sand, crushed coral)
3. What type of filtration do you have.
4. Do you have any powerheads in the tank.
5. What type of water do you use.
6. Do you have your own test kit?
For the eventual 55gal. You could have all the fish you currently have plus a yellow tang, you normally cannot keep two angelfish in a 55gal tank.
 

calbomb17

New Member
Thanks for your help....I don't have any live rock, just 2 barnacles and some fake plants. The substrate that I have are colored stones, and the filtration is just the over the back that came with the tank. I'm not sure what power heads are, so if you could please explain, that would be helpful. I use regular salt water, that I mixed at home (that may be completly wrong, I just started this hobby, so i'm not too sure what the questions are that you are asking). I go and get my water tested weekly at the LFS...
If any of these are completly not what you were asking, i'm sorry, like i said, i just started this in feb.
:happyfish
 

birdy

Active Member
Boy I really cannot believe your LFS is in business.
Well here is what i would suggest to you:
1.Buy the book: The New Marine Aquarium, by Michael S. Palleta, this is a must have for a new aquarist easy to read and pretty inexpensive.
2. Get LR, it is rock that has been taken from the ocean, it contains lots of benefical bacteria that will help tremendously with your biological filtration
3. Replace the gravel, colored gravel is ment for freshwater tanks, the color will leach into the wate with a salt tank and all the waste will collect in the gravel and be hard to clean and will eventually cause poor water quality. Get some aragonite based sand, very fine sand like you would see at the beach.
4. Power heads are basically water pumps you put in the water in your tank, in a saltwater tank circulation is important, you would want two small powerheads (look for maxi jet mini jets.)
5. The water you use in a 10gal tank is very very important. you have little room for error in such a small tank, Look for RO/DI water, some grocery stores sell it. It is 99% pure water so you won't have as many problems with algae as you will using tap.
6. Get your own test kits, it is vital that you know what is going on in your tank, you need to be able to do the test and fix any water chemistry issues in your tank.
Good luck and keep asking questions it is the only way to learn. I really hope you will get that book it is a really good guide.
 

shrimp134

Member
First off...you need to take everything back to the store and never go back there again...They are killing the fish and taking your money...first off you need to read and get information before you do stuff with saltwater fish..you need live rock and probably sand...this is just basic but from what I have read...you are basically torturing everything in your tank right now...please do the right thing and take everything back or else keep the clowns and maybe the goby and for sure get cured live rock and sand in there ASAP......I may even be wrong, but just listen to us here and welcome to the board...and if you can...get that 55gallon now up and running!:jumping:
 

shrimp134

Member
Wow, very well stated birdy....makes my post look like &(&%^....lol I am horrible at expressing what I want to say at typing...Thank You!:happy:
 

calbomb17

New Member
when i went to the lfs and go the water tested on 4-29-04, they said everything was normal in the tank. However 2 weeks ago, i lost a fish due an agressive yellow-tailed damsel, i had an amonia spike, but everything went back to normal.
I don't know if this answers your question
- I have a book ironically called Salt Water Aquariums for Dummies, will this work???
-How long do i have before they start to die? can i wait until i get the other tank when i move in august?
 
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essop3

Guest
I don't think they will make it that long. I'd follow birdy's advice, it sounds exactly like what you should do.
Be sure that when you switch the substrate you use aragonite. You can buy bags of it at the lfs for no more than you need. Go to a diffrent store though. To tell you how bad they lied to you, I wouldn't put a horseshoe crab in my 125 gallon.
 

moonrs

Member
To re-emphasize what the others have said, Please, PLEASE read some good books on Saltwater fishkeeping. Btw, you didn't do Everything wrong; although your local fish store is evidently staffed by idiots, you obviously tried to get advice before you started on your saltwater experience. Some people don't even bother asking anyone and end up wasting alot of money, and worse yet, needlessly killing alot of fish... Also, if you haven't already done so, when you replace your gravel with sand, you have a few options. If possible, avoid going back to the same store to purchase it (at least, don't seek any more advice from them). When it comes to sand, you can get "live" sand or dry ("dead") sand. The live Sand would, in my opinion, help you more, because live sand contains many beneficial types of bacteria and other microorganisms. This will greatly speed up the time it takes for your tank to "cycle". You can also go with dry sand, but don't just pour it into your tank; it contains ALOT of dust which would cloud your water for days. Take small amounts of sand at a time, put it in a bucket with normal tap water and swirl it around. Pour off Just the water, and add more water. Usually, doing this 3 or 4 times is enough. You won't get rid of all of the dust, but doing this should help. Additionally, as the others mentioned, a few pieces of Live Rock will greatly enhance the stability of the tank. Believe it or not, in some cases, the combination of the sand bed and live rock is all the filtration needed, so that no additional mechanical filtration is needed (also known as the Berlin Method, I think). You should NOT try this method; it's just for an example. Just a few more things. If you do decide to use tap water, don't pour it directly into the tank without treating it with some type of dechlorinator. Purchase a hydrometer, to measure the salinity of the water before you add it to your tank. If you need to add water due to evaporation, don't add Saltwater, only freshwater. This is because the salt stays in your tank when the water evaporates, so that if you do add saltwater each time you top off the tank, the tank will get saltier and saltier, eventually killing your livestock. Lastly, don't mix the saltwater in your tank; always mix it in a bucket that is ONLY used for your fish tank. Never use a bucket or any supplies that have been previously used for other things, like housecleaning. You don't use a gravel suction in sand, either. You should try to avoid disturbing your sand too much. It's better to have good circulation in the tank with some critters that can clean up anything that falls to the floor of the tank (like hermit crabs, snails, or some types of starfish) I apologize for so much information, but I enjoy this hobby alot and don't like to see others get discouraged before they even start. I don't know where you live, but you might also see if you can join a local fish club, especially one with an online forum. In San Antonio, Tx, we have MAAST (Marine Aquariust's Association of South Texas); it's a great club and the online forum is an outstanding resource. A local club will put you in contact with folks who might be able to share some of their experiences too. I'd say ask your LFS if they know about a club, but considering the advice they've already given you, I'm not sure what kind of answer you'll get. Regardless, try not to get discouraged and welcome to Saltwater fishkeeping and this Forum! Good luck, Moonrs
 
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