I need a list of EVERYTHING that can be tested for, little help pls?
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flower
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Originally Posted by Kilofey http:///t/387980/i-need-a-list-of-everything-that-can-be-tested-for-little-help-pls/20#post_3418731
The orange clown had a long white poo yesterday and sometimes he swims with one fin, could those be stress related?
Unless the fin is damaged...no. Clown females (the biggest one) pick on the clown males. Sometimes pretty bad.
Flake and brine are not good choices for food at all. However clowns like to rip there food up for themselves. So add the flakes (just a few) as large as you can find..only a few, which means no more than 3 flakes.
Also keep in mind there is more for fish to eat in a SW tank than you know of. Copepods, algae on the rocks, amphipods...that is why we purchase "live" rock, critters live in them and the fish graze on the rocks all day.
Originally Posted by Kilofey http:///t/387980/i-need-a-list-of-everything-that-can-be-tested-for-little-help-pls/20#post_3418731
The orange clown had a long white poo yesterday and sometimes he swims with one fin, could those be stress related?
Unless the fin is damaged...no. Clown females (the biggest one) pick on the clown males. Sometimes pretty bad.
Flake and brine are not good choices for food at all. However clowns like to rip there food up for themselves. So add the flakes (just a few) as large as you can find..only a few, which means no more than 3 flakes.
Also keep in mind there is more for fish to eat in a SW tank than you know of. Copepods, algae on the rocks, amphipods...that is why we purchase "live" rock, critters live in them and the fish graze on the rocks all day.
flower
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Originally Posted by Kilofey http:///t/387980/i-need-a-list-of-everything-that-can-be-tested-for-little-help-pls/20#post_3418740
Are pellets decent? I have those too.
Throw them out, they don't do anything in my opinion but pollute the tank.
Originally Posted by Kilofey http:///t/387980/i-need-a-list-of-everything-that-can-be-tested-for-little-help-pls/20#post_3418740
Are pellets decent? I have those too.
Throw them out, they don't do anything in my opinion but pollute the tank.
flower
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Originally Posted by Kilofey http:///t/387980/i-need-a-list-of-everything-that-can-be-tested-for-little-help-pls/20#post_3418747
Okay. Ill just use the flake only until I know theyre not gonna die... Ill give it a week or 2 & then go buy some stuff to make my own food for them.
Get a package of mysis shrimp..$6.99
Originally Posted by Kilofey http:///t/387980/i-need-a-list-of-everything-that-can-be-tested-for-little-help-pls/20#post_3418747
Okay. Ill just use the flake only until I know theyre not gonna die... Ill give it a week or 2 & then go buy some stuff to make my own food for them.
Get a package of mysis shrimp..$6.99
snakeblitz33
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I fed my clowns flake all of the time and they lived for four years until I sold em' ... I don't know what's so bad about flake? lol...
Times, they are a changin'
Times, they are a changin'
flower
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Originally Posted by Kilofey http:///t/387980/i-need-a-list-of-everything-that-can-be-tested-for-little-help-pls/20#post_3419035
They only had brine and bloodworms at the store I went to, so ill add tha bloodworms to their diet, I read thryre a good source of protien. I strained them out first.
My blavk clown did eat a few, which os encourageing. But the orange one didnt want them still.
I don't know about bloodworms, saltwater fish eat saltwater critters, thas how I decide what to feed my critters. You need to get some raw shrimp and chop a small chunk into bits and feed them. Keep the pumps running do it dances in the water and looks alive for them to chase.
Originally Posted by Kilofey http:///t/387980/i-need-a-list-of-everything-that-can-be-tested-for-little-help-pls/20#post_3419035
They only had brine and bloodworms at the store I went to, so ill add tha bloodworms to their diet, I read thryre a good source of protien. I strained them out first.
My blavk clown did eat a few, which os encourageing. But the orange one didnt want them still.
I don't know about bloodworms, saltwater fish eat saltwater critters, thas how I decide what to feed my critters. You need to get some raw shrimp and chop a small chunk into bits and feed them. Keep the pumps running do it dances in the water and looks alive for them to chase.
kilofey
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UPDATE-
Good & bad news to report. The orange clown died. I suspected he might have a disease cause he had some white stringy poos & one fin was clamped and he wouldnt eat... So when I went back to the store I noticed there was a clearly sick fish in a nearby tank. I asked if that tank and the tank my clown came from were part of the same system. The guy said it was. So anyway, he died. I treated the black clown with pimafix & melafix in the tank, since the tank had been exposed to disease. *the good news* the black clown (named "sissy fish") is so far alive & well. Yesterday was the last day of treatment. He is now eating (like a monster I might add). I have added more variety to his diet to ensure he stays healthy & strong. I now feed frozen blood worms, little bits of raw shrimp, a frozen mix of sprinula, mysis, phyotoplankton, and brine. I figure what the clown doesnt like, the corals & filter feeders will, especially the duncan!
I know im not out of the woods yet with "sissy fish" but im closely monitoring his behavior & making sure he gets an extra meal to make sure he stays strong while he fights off the disease exposure. Ive also been researching freshwater dips & though controversial, I will be doing them on my fish until I have the $ to set up a QT, also the skills to successfully maintain a small tank
Good & bad news to report. The orange clown died. I suspected he might have a disease cause he had some white stringy poos & one fin was clamped and he wouldnt eat... So when I went back to the store I noticed there was a clearly sick fish in a nearby tank. I asked if that tank and the tank my clown came from were part of the same system. The guy said it was. So anyway, he died. I treated the black clown with pimafix & melafix in the tank, since the tank had been exposed to disease. *the good news* the black clown (named "sissy fish") is so far alive & well. Yesterday was the last day of treatment. He is now eating (like a monster I might add). I have added more variety to his diet to ensure he stays healthy & strong. I now feed frozen blood worms, little bits of raw shrimp, a frozen mix of sprinula, mysis, phyotoplankton, and brine. I figure what the clown doesnt like, the corals & filter feeders will, especially the duncan!
I know im not out of the woods yet with "sissy fish" but im closely monitoring his behavior & making sure he gets an extra meal to make sure he stays strong while he fights off the disease exposure. Ive also been researching freshwater dips & though controversial, I will be doing them on my fish until I have the $ to set up a QT, also the skills to successfully maintain a small tank
T
tizzo
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Dont get me wrong I agree with everything posted so far, I agree your all I a bit high, I definitely agree to stop those nasty pellets! But when you say it's only fish, and corals aren't affected - that shoul narrow it down.
It's not about a protein skimmer, although I am of the opinion that you should have one, I don't think it would take out fish that quickly.
Mag levels, as mentioned are for corals.
So lemme try a different approach.
1. How are you oxygenating your water?
2. What are you using to test your "salinity"
3. Are you adding ANY liquids into your tank for any reason at all- if ao what and how much.
4. Have you "double checked" your readings with any othe source, like taken a sample to a LFS (local fish store)
It's not about a protein skimmer, although I am of the opinion that you should have one, I don't think it would take out fish that quickly.
Mag levels, as mentioned are for corals.
So lemme try a different approach.
1. How are you oxygenating your water?
2. What are you using to test your "salinity"
3. Are you adding ANY liquids into your tank for any reason at all- if ao what and how much.
4. Have you "double checked" your readings with any othe source, like taken a sample to a LFS (local fish store)
T
tizzo
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One more thing... When a fish is dissected at the end if a normal day in it's natural environment- it's stomach contents, while vary in ingredients, remain stable with amount. At the END of the day, the amount in a fish's gut is equivalent to the size of it's eyeball. So if your feeding all that you mentioned- each day, your way over feeding. And it's cool to feed your corals, but not every day especially if your not skimming! And even if you are- you don't wanna put that much food in your tank.
Rule of thumb- do not put in more nutrition than you can get out!
And your corals may eat it, but they will also poop it out- and a lOT of it sits and rot in the rockwork.
Hth (hope this helps)
Rule of thumb- do not put in more nutrition than you can get out!
And your corals may eat it, but they will also poop it out- and a lOT of it sits and rot in the rockwork.
Hth (hope this helps)
kilofey
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Dont get me wrong I agree with everything posted so far, I agree your all I a bit high, I definitely agree to stop those nasty pellets! But when you say it's only fish, and corals aren't affected - that shoul narrow it down.
It's not about a protein skimmer, although I am of the opinion that you should have one, I don't think it would take out fish that quickly.
Mag levels, as mentioned are for corals.
So lemme try a different approach.
1. How are you oxygenating your water?
2. What are you using to test your "salinity"
3. Are you adding ANY liquids into your tank for any reason at all- if ao what and how much.
4. Have you "double checked" your readings with any othe source, like taken a sample to a LFS (local fish store)
Well, as I mentioned above, I narrowed it down to it being a sick fish on 2 separate occasions, not water quality, however I really appreciate your response. I oxegenate my water with 2 powerheads and my sump pump, I have over the reccomended 17x turnover (i think the reccomended is 17, but eitherway, its a little more. I actually dont check salinity, cause I dont really know the difference between that and sg, but I do check my sg with a refractometer. My sg is 1.024, which on the next few water changes ill be bringimg down a tad cause I like to have a little wiggle room for evaporation. The only liquids I have ever put in the tank are oyster feast food and pimafix & melafix (pima and mela were used just this week to cure the disease). I did double check my readings with my own test kits. I have api and tetra liquid kits, but I also took a sample to the store when my fish died. All results were in the safe range (except kh, which is being lowered gradually)
It's not about a protein skimmer, although I am of the opinion that you should have one, I don't think it would take out fish that quickly.
Mag levels, as mentioned are for corals.
So lemme try a different approach.
1. How are you oxygenating your water?
2. What are you using to test your "salinity"
3. Are you adding ANY liquids into your tank for any reason at all- if ao what and how much.
4. Have you "double checked" your readings with any othe source, like taken a sample to a LFS (local fish store)
Well, as I mentioned above, I narrowed it down to it being a sick fish on 2 separate occasions, not water quality, however I really appreciate your response. I oxegenate my water with 2 powerheads and my sump pump, I have over the reccomended 17x turnover (i think the reccomended is 17, but eitherway, its a little more. I actually dont check salinity, cause I dont really know the difference between that and sg, but I do check my sg with a refractometer. My sg is 1.024, which on the next few water changes ill be bringimg down a tad cause I like to have a little wiggle room for evaporation. The only liquids I have ever put in the tank are oyster feast food and pimafix & melafix (pima and mela were used just this week to cure the disease). I did double check my readings with my own test kits. I have api and tetra liquid kits, but I also took a sample to the store when my fish died. All results were in the safe range (except kh, which is being lowered gradually)
kilofey
Member
One more thing... When a fish is dissected at the end if a normal day in it's natural environment- it's stomach contents, while vary in ingredients, remain stable with amount. At the END of the day, the amount in a fish's gut is equivalent to the size of it's eyeball. So if your feeding all that you mentioned- each day, your way over feeding. And it's cool to feed your corals, but not every day especially if your not skimming! And even if you are- you don't wanna put that much food in your tank.
Rule of thumb- do not put in more nutrition than you can get out!
And your corals may eat it, but they will also poop it out- and a lOT of it sits and rot in the rockwork.
Hth (hope this helps)
Thank you. I didnt know about the eyeball thing. I dont feed all of that on a daily basis, I was just mentioning what I have added to replace the flake, pellet & brine diet. I only feed maybe one tenth of a frozen cube per day since I only have one fish. When I feed the shrimp, I feed a very small piece of shrimp. Some is left over, but my brittle stars go batty for it. As soon as it hits the sand bed, they scramble out of the rockwork for it. So I dont mind if there is a smidge extra for them cause I love to watch them eat
Rule of thumb- do not put in more nutrition than you can get out!
And your corals may eat it, but they will also poop it out- and a lOT of it sits and rot in the rockwork.
Hth (hope this helps)
Thank you. I didnt know about the eyeball thing. I dont feed all of that on a daily basis, I was just mentioning what I have added to replace the flake, pellet & brine diet. I only feed maybe one tenth of a frozen cube per day since I only have one fish. When I feed the shrimp, I feed a very small piece of shrimp. Some is left over, but my brittle stars go batty for it. As soon as it hits the sand bed, they scramble out of the rockwork for it. So I dont mind if there is a smidge extra for them cause I love to watch them eat
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tizzo
Guest
Good deal! A lot... MOST people usually over feed - so I'm glad you got that covered.
1.024 sg (oh and I use the term "salinity" cause that's what's common and you asked for easy terms- but glad you know the diff), but anyway 1.024 actually does have enough wiggle room. You should be fine all the way to 1.027- at which point your about out of wiggle room.
Seems like your golden!
In the future, when buying a fish-
-Ask how long it's been there- don't let them act like they don't know!
-Ask to see it eat- and don't let them try to tell you any crap like "he just ate" or "well I'm sure he will eat in your tank after he's settled in"
-really inspect the fish for flaws, including scratching, spots, hazy areas on fins, cloudy eyes, sores...
-with clown especially, inspect ALL the fish in that system, as diseases like brooklynella are common and spread like wild fire!
-if your store has a lot of unhealthy fish,find another one.
I wish you luck!!
1.024 sg (oh and I use the term "salinity" cause that's what's common and you asked for easy terms- but glad you know the diff), but anyway 1.024 actually does have enough wiggle room. You should be fine all the way to 1.027- at which point your about out of wiggle room.
Seems like your golden!
In the future, when buying a fish-
-Ask how long it's been there- don't let them act like they don't know!
-Ask to see it eat- and don't let them try to tell you any crap like "he just ate" or "well I'm sure he will eat in your tank after he's settled in"
-really inspect the fish for flaws, including scratching, spots, hazy areas on fins, cloudy eyes, sores...
-with clown especially, inspect ALL the fish in that system, as diseases like brooklynella are common and spread like wild fire!
-if your store has a lot of unhealthy fish,find another one.
I wish you luck!!