I Need Help With Designing My Sump/refug.!!!

florida joe

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Hang in there, I am on my way to the beach to collect some rocks right now. when i get back i will dig up the site where you can punch in your pipe size fittings and distance and it will give you the total dynamic head pressure. I will bet you will not loose 40 %
draw a detailed pic of your return line with the size of the pipe also the size of the pipe from your overflow to your sump and give me the distance from the high of the water in your sump to the point it is introduced into your tank(usually one or two inches below the surface of the water
 

shyshko08

Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3181058
Hang in there, I am on my way to the beach to collect some rocks right now. when i get back i will dig up the site where you can punch in your pipe size fittings and distance and it will give you the total dynamic head pressure. I will bet you will not loose 40 %
draw a detailed pic of your return line with the size of the pipe also the size of the pipe from your overflow to your sump and give me the distance from the high of the water in your sump to the point it is introduced into your tank(usually one or two inches below the surface of the water
I'm not sure how to plan the plumbing for the sump? I guess I'll just figure it out and post what I come up with.
 

florida joe

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I'm back, and its Joe as you must know. and you are ?
First lest's remember this is your sump/refuge not mine. You need to make the final determination on your equipment.
IMO hobbyists get to caught up on turn over rates for there sump/refuges. While it is important it is not paramount in keeping a vibrant aquarium. IMO what is more important is water movement within the tank. This movement is accomplished via power heads (proper placement ) I personally like a slower turn over rate from my tank through my refuge simply because I feel it allows my sand/mud and caulerpa longer contact time with nutrients in my tank water. I assume you are using a submersible pump. If so you need not worry about inlet pipe size to the pump. Now all we really are looking at is resistance on the outlet side of the pump. This resistance comes in the form of how high we have to pump he water and any friction we encounter via elbows and fittings.
If we want to get scientific the total dynamic head pressure is Vertical (static head) +friction lost due to the pipe +fittings+valves+ any other restrictions
So lets start with the distance from the top of the water in sump to the return pipes in your tank. (and yes its from the top of the water in your sump and NOT from the return pump)
now we need pipe size. you would want a pipe size of 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 IMO.
HANG ON I found it go to this link put in your info and you will get your head loss. http://www.reefcentral.com/calc/hlc2.php
PS just give me the distance from your influent into your tank to the height of the water in your sump
I'm not sure how to plan the plumbing for the sump? I guess I'll just figure it out and post what I come up with.
you want as straight a shot into your tank as you can get. the piping from your overflow to your sump/refuge is not that critical
 

florida joe

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Ok Tarz if you go with what you have you are just under turning over your water at 3x per hour with out taking into consideration and displacement. IMO you are ok as long as you have good moment in your tank via power heads. Remember your pump size was predication on your overflow you can always return what you have (unused) and go with a greater gph in your overflow which will let you go with a bigger pump and increases the turnover
 

shyshko08

Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3181312
Ok Tarz if you go with what you have you are just under turning over your water at 3x per hour with out taking into consideration and displacement. IMO you are ok as long as you have good moment in your tank via power heads. Remember your pump size was predication on your overflow you can always return what you have (unused) and go with a greater gph in your overflow which will let you go with a bigger pump and increases the turnover

Yeah I should have enough movement in the tank. I have a koralia 4, 3, and 1 in there.
I'm afraid of getting a pump over 300gph because I dont know for sure if that will be to much or not. Also I dont think ehiem makes a 300gph pump.
So in your opinion, you think I'll be fine with the overflow/pump I have?
Anyone else mind jumping in and give your opinion on this?
THANK YOU!
 

shyshko08

Member
I have a quick question about my cansiter filter. It says its rated at 185gph, does that include all the calculation for headloss and everything?
 

florida joe

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I did not realize you were also running a canister filter. your refuge with what you are gong to run (overflow and return pump) will be fine
 

shyshko08

Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3181331
I did not realize you were also running a canister filter. your refuge with what you are gong to run (overflow and return pump) will be fine
no I'm going to replace the canister filter with the sump/refug.
 

calbert0

Member
as far as calculating head loss, usually the specific pump you buy will list the GPH loss at various heights either on the box itself or on the companies website.
 

shyshko08

Member
Originally Posted by calbert0
http:///forum/post/3181508
as far as calculating head loss, usually the specific pump you buy will list the GPH loss at various heights either on the box itself or on the companies website.
great, thanks! I'll take a look
 

florida joe

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Originally Posted by calbert0
http:///forum/post/3181508
as far as calculating head loss, usually the specific pump you buy will list the GPH loss at various heights either on the box itself or on the companies website.
this is true the only problem with that is they do not take into consideration routing. The figure given is for a plumb vertical line
 

kspops

Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3181749
this is true the only problem with that is they do not take into consideration routing. The figure given is for a plumb vertical line
I always try to use the next height up for figuring head loss. I would rather go bigger than be to small.
 

shyshko08

Member
Hey, I just got done building my sump. Heres what it looks like. I added a few pictures of my tank, its been a while since I posted a recent one. I'm just waiting to recieve my pump in the mail.
I also had a quick question. I went to the local fish store and I was told you shouldn't put any live rock/critters in the refuge. only live sand and some cheto. What do you guys think?
http://www.mypicx.com/12092009/fish_tank/
 

shyshko08

Member
Originally Posted by Shyshko08
http:///forum/post/3185941
Hey, I just got done building my sump. Heres what it looks like. I added a few pictures of my tank, its been a while since I posted a recent one. I'm just waiting to recieve my pump in the mail.
I also had a quick question. I went to the local fish store and I was told you shouldn't put any live rock/critters in the refuge. only live sand and some cheto. What do you guys think?
http://www.mypicx.com/12092009/fish_tank/

really....no comments?
 

shyshko08

Member
I'm about to get head out to Lowes, I was wondering if someone could quickly tell me if I should get 3/4" or 1" tubing for the sump. Thanks!
 
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