i want a hippo tang
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deejeff442
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ich has to be introduced it wont just show up.
if you qt him for 4 weeks and see no ich he will be fine.
i have an achilles also known for ich .
i recently moved and put him in a bigger tank with the same fish and no ich.
as long as you dont have ich you wont get ich.
stress will hurt the fish he could get line disease or something from stress so just make sure the water is good and he isnt picked on by other fish.
if you qt him for 4 weeks and see no ich he will be fine.
i have an achilles also known for ich .
i recently moved and put him in a bigger tank with the same fish and no ich.
as long as you dont have ich you wont get ich.
stress will hurt the fish he could get line disease or something from stress so just make sure the water is good and he isnt picked on by other fish.
bang guy
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Originally Posted by evanjah
http:///forum/post/2985982
but i hear they get ich real easily. What can i do or should i do?
Tangs have an incredible immune system that will easily fight off an Ick infestation. The problem is that the first biologic function to degrade when a Tang is stressed is its immune system. They have very little slime so a stressed Tang is incredibly vulnerable to Ick.
So, while I agree completely with deejeff442, a stress free environment is all that is needed to prevent Ick in Tangs. This means a tank that allows them to swim freely, not get picked on by other Tangs, excellent water conditions, and nutritious food.
QTing all fish to prevent Cryptocaryon from ever entering the display tank will also prevent Ick but Ick isn't the only bad thing that can happen to Tangs.
http:///forum/post/2985982
but i hear they get ich real easily. What can i do or should i do?
Tangs have an incredible immune system that will easily fight off an Ick infestation. The problem is that the first biologic function to degrade when a Tang is stressed is its immune system. They have very little slime so a stressed Tang is incredibly vulnerable to Ick.
So, while I agree completely with deejeff442, a stress free environment is all that is needed to prevent Ick in Tangs. This means a tank that allows them to swim freely, not get picked on by other Tangs, excellent water conditions, and nutritious food.
QTing all fish to prevent Cryptocaryon from ever entering the display tank will also prevent Ick but Ick isn't the only bad thing that can happen to Tangs.
xeniaman
Member
It is also to get a healthy specimen. Don't just go out and buy one, have the lfs hold it for you and watch it for a couple weeks before you make the purchase. Make sure the hippo is eating and the stomach isn't pinched in. The tang should be very active and provided alot of live rock to graze on but yet enough open swimming room which is the key. What size tank do you have? My hippo tang seems to need every inch of my 240 gallon reef
flower
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I have a Hippo in a 90g but it isn't a corner one. He is only about 5'' so he is still pretty small, for a hippo. I got it as a freebee when it was the size of my pinky fingernail. Somebody had too many babies. I have had it two years now.
It does get ich all the time. ich is in my tank, I have never lost my fish to ich, so it is what it is, and I can't put them in a 10g for three weeks. I live with it. As long as my fish stay healthy everything is fine. So please no lectures...I SHOULD QT EVERYTHING and I didn't.
Too late now.
My Hippo can't get stressed, or it gets ich. Nobody else in the tank gets sick, just him.
I make sure even the water when I do water changes don't stir things up too much. I have two good sized cleaner shrimps and they have helped allot.
I love my Hippo Tang, he is so beautiful. I didn't think it would live, it was so tiny when I got it. I just love him. So Qt a new Hippo if you get one. As for the tank size...
Someday I hope to have a 125 or maybe a 250...someday...
It does get ich all the time. ich is in my tank, I have never lost my fish to ich, so it is what it is, and I can't put them in a 10g for three weeks. I live with it. As long as my fish stay healthy everything is fine. So please no lectures...I SHOULD QT EVERYTHING and I didn't.
My Hippo can't get stressed, or it gets ich. Nobody else in the tank gets sick, just him.
I make sure even the water when I do water changes don't stir things up too much. I have two good sized cleaner shrimps and they have helped allot.
I love my Hippo Tang, he is so beautiful. I didn't think it would live, it was so tiny when I got it. I just love him. So Qt a new Hippo if you get one. As for the tank size...
Someday I hope to have a 125 or maybe a 250...someday...
crabbychris
Member
If you do get a hippo and he does get ich, leave him alone! Do not attempt to treat him by removing him and putting him in QT or he will most definately die. removal from the tank will only increase the stress and weaken his immune system further. IMO it is best to let your fishes immune system fight it off and make sure he is fed well with garlic also. IME hippos do not like hypo or copper or even a freshwater dip. I will never again treat a fish for ich EVER!
flower
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by CRABBYCHRIS
http:///forum/post/2986839
If you do get a hippo and he does get ich, leave him alone! Do not attempt to treat him by removing him and putting him in QT or he will most definately die. removal from the tank will only increase the stress and weaken his immune system further. IMO it is best to let your fishes immune system fight it off and make sure he is fed well with garlic also. IME hippos do not like hypo or copper or even a freshwater dip. I will never again treat a fish for ich EVER!
I am going to agree with you on this. Every time my Hippo got sick, I made things worse trying to help it.
Qt didn't help this fish because the stress of catching it, placing it in a strange tank made it sicker. Then when Qt was over, the stress of replacing it into the DT made it sick all over again.
When I finally gave up and decided to just let it (sigh) die. He got better! So I try not to stress it, and make sure he is well fed and never picked on, only very nice fish get to live with him. I got two big as I could find, cleaner shrimp and now things seem to be much better.
I even do my water changes as gently as possible.
http:///forum/post/2986839
If you do get a hippo and he does get ich, leave him alone! Do not attempt to treat him by removing him and putting him in QT or he will most definately die. removal from the tank will only increase the stress and weaken his immune system further. IMO it is best to let your fishes immune system fight it off and make sure he is fed well with garlic also. IME hippos do not like hypo or copper or even a freshwater dip. I will never again treat a fish for ich EVER!
I am going to agree with you on this. Every time my Hippo got sick, I made things worse trying to help it.
Qt didn't help this fish because the stress of catching it, placing it in a strange tank made it sicker. Then when Qt was over, the stress of replacing it into the DT made it sick all over again.
When I finally gave up and decided to just let it (sigh) die. He got better! So I try not to stress it, and make sure he is well fed and never picked on, only very nice fish get to live with him. I got two big as I could find, cleaner shrimp and now things seem to be much better.
I even do my water changes as gently as possible.
cranberry
Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2986013
QTing all fish to prevent Cryptocaryon from ever entering the display tank will also prevent.
The only way to prevent ich from your tank is to treat every fish that goes in there before entering. They can still bring it in to the DT if nothing was done to kill potential parasites.
All non fish items would have to be in a fishless environment before being placed in the tank to prevent encapsulated parasites to enter and "hatch".
That's the only way to have an ichless environment.
http:///forum/post/2986013
QTing all fish to prevent Cryptocaryon from ever entering the display tank will also prevent.
The only way to prevent ich from your tank is to treat every fish that goes in there before entering. They can still bring it in to the DT if nothing was done to kill potential parasites.
All non fish items would have to be in a fishless environment before being placed in the tank to prevent encapsulated parasites to enter and "hatch".
That's the only way to have an ichless environment.
C
calvertbill
Guest
Originally Posted by CRABBYCHRIS
http:///forum/post/2986839
If you do get a hippo and he does get ich, leave him alone! Do not attempt to treat him by removing him and putting him in QT or he will most definately die. removal from the tank will only increase the stress and weaken his immune system further. IMO it is best to let your fishes immune system fight it off and make sure he is fed well with garlic also. IME hippos do not like hypo or copper or even a freshwater dip. I will never again treat a fish for ich EVER!
This is good advice with respect to reducing the stress on the fish, but it doesn't solve the ICH problem. if you have a FOWLR tank the solution is easier. Capture all the inverts and remove them to a quarantine tank made with water from the infected tank. The parasites will die in there because they need fish to complete their life cycle. Then start doing partial water changes replacing the main tank water with RO/DI until the salinity drops to about 1.09. Ideally this should take about 48 hours and then start the clock on your 6 week quarantine. Fish can stand hyposalinity better than any other tank residents (including ICH parasites) if you lower the salinity gradually.
If you have a well stocked reef your problems get much worse because the corals don't like brackish water at all. You'll probably have to decide which critters to abuse because the killing of the parasites should be the primary goal.
http:///forum/post/2986839
If you do get a hippo and he does get ich, leave him alone! Do not attempt to treat him by removing him and putting him in QT or he will most definately die. removal from the tank will only increase the stress and weaken his immune system further. IMO it is best to let your fishes immune system fight it off and make sure he is fed well with garlic also. IME hippos do not like hypo or copper or even a freshwater dip. I will never again treat a fish for ich EVER!
This is good advice with respect to reducing the stress on the fish, but it doesn't solve the ICH problem. if you have a FOWLR tank the solution is easier. Capture all the inverts and remove them to a quarantine tank made with water from the infected tank. The parasites will die in there because they need fish to complete their life cycle. Then start doing partial water changes replacing the main tank water with RO/DI until the salinity drops to about 1.09. Ideally this should take about 48 hours and then start the clock on your 6 week quarantine. Fish can stand hyposalinity better than any other tank residents (including ICH parasites) if you lower the salinity gradually.
If you have a well stocked reef your problems get much worse because the corals don't like brackish water at all. You'll probably have to decide which critters to abuse because the killing of the parasites should be the primary goal.
crabbychris
Member
I don't really agree with the hyposalinity advice because it can cause internal organ damage to the fish and shorten their life span if they are exposed to it for extended amount of time. I lost every single fish in my tank not that long ago using hyposalinity even healthy ones. However I believe that if you empty your main tank including fish that hypo will work to kill the parasite. Exposing the fish to low salt levels will cause more stress than the parasite will.
Simply put ich is in the ocean and fish use their immune system to fight it off. IMO as hobbyists it is our responsibility to make sure that our system is healthy and that our fishes immune systems are healthy so they can fight it off naturally. Nothing wrong with preventing ich I just don't believe in treatment.
As Calvert bill pointed out hypo is a real pain, so I say don't do it.
Simply put ich is in the ocean and fish use their immune system to fight it off. IMO as hobbyists it is our responsibility to make sure that our system is healthy and that our fishes immune systems are healthy so they can fight it off naturally. Nothing wrong with preventing ich I just don't believe in treatment.
As Calvert bill pointed out hypo is a real pain, so I say don't do it.
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usirchchris
Guest
Originally Posted by CRABBYCHRIS
http:///forum/post/2987573
I don't really agree with the hyposalinity advice because it can cause internal organ damage to the fish and shorten their life span if they are exposed to it for extended amount of time. I lost every single fish in my tank not that long ago using hyposalinity even healthy ones. However I believe that if you empty your main tank including fish that hypo will work to kill the parasite. Exposing the fish to low salt levels will cause more stress than the parasite will.
I have never heard this before. Where did you read this? I have read copper can cause internal organ damage at toxic levels, but have never heard/read of hypo doing this. Not saying it doesn't, just truly curious...a link would be cool
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http:///forum/post/2987573
I don't really agree with the hyposalinity advice because it can cause internal organ damage to the fish and shorten their life span if they are exposed to it for extended amount of time. I lost every single fish in my tank not that long ago using hyposalinity even healthy ones. However I believe that if you empty your main tank including fish that hypo will work to kill the parasite. Exposing the fish to low salt levels will cause more stress than the parasite will.
I have never heard this before. Where did you read this? I have read copper can cause internal organ damage at toxic levels, but have never heard/read of hypo doing this. Not saying it doesn't, just truly curious...a link would be cool
jackri
Active Member
Originally Posted by CRABBYCHRIS
http:///forum/post/2986839
If you do get a hippo and he does get ich, leave him alone! Do not attempt to treat him by removing him and putting him in QT or he will most definately die. removal from the tank will only increase the stress and weaken his immune system further. IMO it is best to let your fishes immune system fight it off and make sure he is fed well with garlic also. IME hippos do not like hypo or copper or even a freshwater dip. I will never again treat a fish for ich EVER!
I tend to agree with this... especially in a reef system. By the time you catch your fish (if you can) and try and treat him you've run him ragged just from that on top of the ich. I woke up one Xmas morning with an ich outbreak with no new additions for at least a month before hand except 2 snails (could've been some ich in the snail water etc etc) and I tried treatments removed all the inverts/live rock at the time and did just about everything but copper. Everything but the inverts and my trigger eventually died.
Then got a hippo tang that would battle a little ich off and on -- just fed him a healthy diet treated with garlic/selcon and algae clips and the fish's own immune system fought it off -- the other fish never showed a sign of it (after upgrading the tank and learning a lot since the last outbreak). So then I figured I beat ich naturally -- till my carpet anemone ate my little blue hippo
Now fast forward to present --- QT everything
http:///forum/post/2986839
If you do get a hippo and he does get ich, leave him alone! Do not attempt to treat him by removing him and putting him in QT or he will most definately die. removal from the tank will only increase the stress and weaken his immune system further. IMO it is best to let your fishes immune system fight it off and make sure he is fed well with garlic also. IME hippos do not like hypo or copper or even a freshwater dip. I will never again treat a fish for ich EVER!
I tend to agree with this... especially in a reef system. By the time you catch your fish (if you can) and try and treat him you've run him ragged just from that on top of the ich. I woke up one Xmas morning with an ich outbreak with no new additions for at least a month before hand except 2 snails (could've been some ich in the snail water etc etc) and I tried treatments removed all the inverts/live rock at the time and did just about everything but copper. Everything but the inverts and my trigger eventually died.
Then got a hippo tang that would battle a little ich off and on -- just fed him a healthy diet treated with garlic/selcon and algae clips and the fish's own immune system fought it off -- the other fish never showed a sign of it (after upgrading the tank and learning a lot since the last outbreak). So then I figured I beat ich naturally -- till my carpet anemone ate my little blue hippo
Now fast forward to present --- QT everything
crabbychris
Member
Here is a link with some info. Read the salinity section. There is more info on other sites also.
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/disease.html
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/disease.html
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usirchchris
Guest
Originally Posted by CRABBYCHRIS
http:///forum/post/2987981
Here is a link with some info. Read the salinity section. There is more info on other sites also.
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/disease.html
Cool, thanks
http:///forum/post/2987981
Here is a link with some info. Read the salinity section. There is more info on other sites also.
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/disease.html
Cool, thanks
flower
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by jackri
http:///forum/post/2987670
I tend to agree with this... especially in a reef system. By the time you catch your fish (if you can) and try and treat him you've run him ragged just from that on top of the ich. I woke up one Xmas morning with an ich outbreak with no new additions for at least a month before hand except 2 snails (could've been some ich in the snail water etc etc) and I tried treatments removed all the inverts/live rock at the time and did just about everything but copper. Everything but the inverts and my trigger eventually died.
Then got a hippo tang that would battle a little ich off and on -- just fed him a healthy diet treated with garlic/selcon and algae clips and the fish's own immune system fought it off -- the other fish never showed a sign of it (after upgrading the tank and learning a lot since the last outbreak). So then I figured I beat ich naturally -- till my carpet anemone ate my little blue hippo
Now fast forward to present --- QT everything
My anemone ate my copperbanded burtterfly
I came close to getting rid of the anemone over that. I still have it, nothing else has been made lunch.
http:///forum/post/2987670
I tend to agree with this... especially in a reef system. By the time you catch your fish (if you can) and try and treat him you've run him ragged just from that on top of the ich. I woke up one Xmas morning with an ich outbreak with no new additions for at least a month before hand except 2 snails (could've been some ich in the snail water etc etc) and I tried treatments removed all the inverts/live rock at the time and did just about everything but copper. Everything but the inverts and my trigger eventually died.
Then got a hippo tang that would battle a little ich off and on -- just fed him a healthy diet treated with garlic/selcon and algae clips and the fish's own immune system fought it off -- the other fish never showed a sign of it (after upgrading the tank and learning a lot since the last outbreak). So then I figured I beat ich naturally -- till my carpet anemone ate my little blue hippo
Now fast forward to present --- QT everything
My anemone ate my copperbanded burtterfly
U
usirchchris
Guest
Originally Posted by CRABBYCHRIS
http:///forum/post/2987981
Here is a link with some info. Read the salinity section. There is more info on other sites also.
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/disease.html
It is not stating that hypo is initially harmful. In the first part it describes the hypo conditions being less stressful on the fish in relation to osmotic pressure. It is saying it is fine for a qt. What they are saying is that it can cause internal damage if you keep your fish in a hypo state for long periods of time. If you kept your salinity at 1.015 for an extended period of time like say 6 months or longer for instance it would most likely be harmful, but not for a short quarantine period of 4-6 weeks.
http:///forum/post/2987981
Here is a link with some info. Read the salinity section. There is more info on other sites also.
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/disease.html
It is not stating that hypo is initially harmful. In the first part it describes the hypo conditions being less stressful on the fish in relation to osmotic pressure. It is saying it is fine for a qt. What they are saying is that it can cause internal damage if you keep your fish in a hypo state for long periods of time. If you kept your salinity at 1.015 for an extended period of time like say 6 months or longer for instance it would most likely be harmful, but not for a short quarantine period of 4-6 weeks.
crabbychris
Member
If you read my earlier post I said extended periods. I tend to believe that an extended period could be 4-6 weeks. Sure fish like hypo initially but I think it can cause problems and I myself have experienced fish loss during and after hypo. It's just one of those things that is debatable. Also I read on bob fenners site that he doesn't believe in it either.
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usirchchris
Guest
Originally Posted by CRABBYCHRIS
http:///forum/post/2988758
If you read my earlier post I said extended periods. I tend to believe that an extended period could be 4-6 weeks. Sure fish like hypo initially but I think it can cause problems and I myself have experienced fish loss during and after hypo. It's just one of those things that is debatable. Also I read on bob fenners site that he doesn't believe in it either.
Gotcha
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http:///forum/post/2988758
If you read my earlier post I said extended periods. I tend to believe that an extended period could be 4-6 weeks. Sure fish like hypo initially but I think it can cause problems and I myself have experienced fish loss during and after hypo. It's just one of those things that is debatable. Also I read on bob fenners site that he doesn't believe in it either.
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