I wonder why Barack Obama and Tiger Woods are considered "African American"

beth

beth

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I don't know if there is any real "legal" basis for labeling people, black, white, etc. I know of no instances that anyone anywhere demands, what is your legal race?
Latinos is a catch all phrase for Hispanics. Hispanics represent a culture not a race. There are White Hispanics, Black Hispanics, Indian Hispanics, even Chinese Hispanics, etc. Those labels are pretty much used in the USA, not in "Hispanic" countries basically to capture yet another blend of cultures here in this country. Just like there are White Americans, Black Americans, Native Americans, etc., etc.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2534506
What was it before Super Tuesday?... I bet #'s were closer.
Come on, seriously?
You made a statement, I responded. You then try to contradict my statement so I post FACTS showing your examples were flawed. So, instead of acknowledging that you move the goal post again... I mean seriously, do you really base your opinion on things that you imagine to be "facts"? Why can you not look this info up yourself? How can you blindly assume something and base a whole argument around thae assumptions you make, without verifying them????? That blows me away.
Anyway, here is the info you asked for, some of it redundant as I have previously already addressed multiple results from pre-Super Tuesday votes.
Here isa list of Democratic state vote pre-Super Tuesday (I swear, if after I go to the trouble of listing these; If you then say "What about post Super Tuesday, I bet it is different" my head will explode...)
Iowa- Caucus
NH- Less than 1% of registered voters are black
Michigan- millions of disinfranchised voters
Nevada- Caucus
S. Carolina- over 80% of the black vote to Obama
Florida- millions of disinfranchised voters
Alabama- 84% went to Obama
Georgia- 87% went to Obama
Delaware- 86%
Alaska- Caucus
Arizona- I couldn't find any results fro black men, black women 77%
Arkansas- 74%
California- 78%
Colorado- Caucus
Connecticut-74%
Idaho- Caucus
Illinois-93%
Kansas- Caucus
Mass- 66%
Min- Caucus
Missouri- 84%
Nj- 82%
NM- N/A
NY- 61%
ND- Caucus
Tenn- 77%
OK- Not available
Utah- N/A
Mississippi- 89%
There is clearly a trend... If you need the rest check for yourself http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2536087
Come on, seriously?
You made a statement, I responded. You then try to contradict my statement so I post FACTS showing your examples were flawed. So, instead of acknowledging that you move the goal post again... I mean seriously, do you really base your opinion on things that you imagine to be "facts"? Why can you not look this info up yourself? How can you blindly assume something and base a whole argument around thae assumptions you make, without verifying them????? That blows me away.
Anyway, here is the info you asked for, some of it redundant as I have previously already addressed multiple results from pre-Super Tuesday votes.
Here isa list of Democratic state vote pre-Super Tuesday (I swear, if after I go to the trouble of listing these; If you then say "What about post Super Tuesday, I bet it is different" my head will explode...)
Iowa- Caucus
NH- Less than 1% of registered voters are black
Michigan- millions of disinfranchised voters
Nevada- Caucus
S. Carolina- over 80% of the black vote to Obama
Florida- millions of disinfranchised voters
Alabama- 84% went to Obama
Georgia- 87% went to Obama
Delaware- 86%
Alaska- Caucus
Arizona- I couldn't find any results fro black men, black women 77%
Arkansas- 74%
California- 78%
Colorado- Caucus
Connecticut-74%
Idaho- Caucus
Illinois-93%
Kansas- Caucus
Mass- 66%
Min- Caucus
Missouri- 84%
Nj- 82%
NM- N/A
NY- 61%
ND- Caucus
Tenn- 77%
OK- Not available
Utah- N/A
Mississippi- 89%
There is clearly a trend... If you need the rest check for yourself http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/
I was asking specifically for pre-Super Tuesday results... But to your point lets look at the states and registered black democratic voters compared to the democratic party as a whole. Depsite these #'s you've listed... in many states blacks make up a small % of the population... Regardless if they are caucus or not...
ND, NM, ID, NH, DE, CT, VT... these are ones whom with out me looking ...probably have small black populations...most likely 1-10% ... I've may have missed some, point is that he is getting votes from everyone and leading in total votes, and across most demographics...
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2535100
Obama=smooth talk and little substance.
I disagree.... I received a "book" of probably 20 pages or more of exactly what he wants to do and his plan to do it... I think his website is more substanitive then McCain on issues.. I've haven't looked at Clinton's enough to say.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefmate75
http:///forum/post/2535551
dark skin is the dominate trate...and that is a stupid rule
its like if a white and a mexican have a baby the kid more then likly becuase dark skin is the dominate trate will have darker skin children,
i dont belive its a rule its just what people see and they dont stop to think hey this is a mixed person, they see dark skin and frizzy black hair they say afercan american, but maybe this child was from both mexicans but had afercan blood line somewhere up the linage and it just poped out withen this child, BECUASE black is dominate it can come out in a child even when both parents are white, a half white/black woman, with a black male coul dhave a white child (i know one of my friends went threw this and it didnt go over very well) the daddy divorced his wife befor he even had the child tested to see if it was his, all becuase of skin color i mean i would have atleast had the blood tested befor i disowned his/her mother
atleast they are back together but crista dosent trust him as much and he dosent trust her as much eather, but they are together and its a start
Its not really even about skin color... my mother is black, yet she is lighter than some white people I know... I think this is an issue with a clear answer... question is do you accept the history behind why it is the way it is? I have black people in my family that are dark skinned like dark chocolate and people that are so light... they could be white...aside from some clear african origin facial features.. You have Indians who have darker skin than many African Americans... its all about that african blood that some people wanted to keep out of their family...
Your scenario is possible, but unlikely... I have to ask... was it his?
 
nigerbang

nigerbang

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Nah, He's not playing up to the black vote
Barack Obama predicted that black voter turnout would swell by at least 30 percent if he wins the presidential nomination, giving Democrats victory in Southern states that have been voting Republican for decades.
"I'm probably the only candidate who having won the nomination can actually redraw the political map," Obama told a Democratic voter skeptical that he could defeat a Republican candidate.
"I guarantee you African-American turnout, if I'm the nominee, goes up 30 percent around the country, minimum," Obama said. "Young people's percentage of the vote goes up 25-30 percent. So we're in a position to put states in play that haven't been in play since LBJ."
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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are you seriously arguing that obama isn't considering his race when appealing to voters at this point of the campain? Identity politics is a staple in the dem playbook. You have drank too much of the obama coolaid.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2536481
I was asking specifically for pre-Super Tuesday results... But to your point lets look at the states and registered black democratic voters compared to the democratic party as a whole. Depsite these #'s you've listed... in many states blacks make up a small % of the population... Regardless if they are caucus or not...
ND, NM, ID, NH, DE, CT, VT... these are ones whom with out me looking ...probably have small black populations...most likely 1-10% ... I've may have missed some, point is that he is getting votes from everyone and leading in total votes, and across most demographics...
Every state I listed in that long list you quoted was Pre-Super Tuesday. He is actually NOT leading in every demographic, at least on a state to state basis.
In California, for instance, if broken down by age Hillary won:
18-24 and the 40+ voters
In Alabama, among white voters, Hillary won the majority of white voters....
The list goes on.
 
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