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sepulatian
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Originally Posted by staylor21
http:///forum/post/2690914
do cleaner shrimp really remove ich...how about garlic mixing garlic with their food and which is better to use...my two tangs and lionfish have ich and dont know how to get rid of it.....i cant put them a QT because i dont have one so what can i do???
Cleaner shrimp remove some of the parasites on the fish's body. They do not remove them all. Some cleaners will not clean at all. Garlic is helpful to boost the fish's immune system. Fish can fight off ich, in small numbers, if they are healthy. Each ich parasite multiplies by the hundreds though. A few parasites can quickly turn into thousands. Tell us about your set up. What all is in your tank, how long has it been set up? Can you set up a QT and cycle it?
http:///forum/post/2690914
do cleaner shrimp really remove ich...how about garlic mixing garlic with their food and which is better to use...my two tangs and lionfish have ich and dont know how to get rid of it.....i cant put them a QT because i dont have one so what can i do???
Cleaner shrimp remove some of the parasites on the fish's body. They do not remove them all. Some cleaners will not clean at all. Garlic is helpful to boost the fish's immune system. Fish can fight off ich, in small numbers, if they are healthy. Each ich parasite multiplies by the hundreds though. A few parasites can quickly turn into thousands. Tell us about your set up. What all is in your tank, how long has it been set up? Can you set up a QT and cycle it?
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rcreations
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Cleaner shrimp are great if your fish are LIGHTLY infested, meaning a few ich spots. Garlic helps too. But if your fish are full of ich, you need to treat them.
Is this a reef tank? If it's a FOWLR, you might consider taking out all your LR, put it in a container of saltwater, with a powerhead and heater, then treat your DT with the fish in it.
Is this a reef tank? If it's a FOWLR, you might consider taking out all your LR, put it in a container of saltwater, with a powerhead and heater, then treat your DT with the fish in it.
florida joe
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Cleaner shrimp can only treat ick infestation in one of its life cycles. Please do some research on ick and its treatment. Sir Q how is that for diplomatic
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2691047
Cleaner shrimp can only help ick infestation in one of its life cycles. Please do some research on ick and its treatment. Sir Q how is that for diplomatic
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http:///forum/post/2691047
Cleaner shrimp can only help ick infestation in one of its life cycles. Please do some research on ick and its treatment. Sir Q how is that for diplomatic
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payton 350
Member
Mr. Lionfish would love it if you put in some cleaner shrimp.
florida joe
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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2691049
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Just illustrating the fact that the money YOU spent sending me to sensitivity awareness training was well spent
http:///forum/post/2691049
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Just illustrating the fact that the money YOU spent sending me to sensitivity awareness training was well spent
sepulatian
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Originally Posted by SoulFish
http:///forum/post/2691093
Coppersafe & a freshwater dip will do the trick
He cannot use coppersafe, or any copper, in the display.
Joe, I am glad it is finally paying off
http:///forum/post/2691093
Coppersafe & a freshwater dip will do the trick
He cannot use coppersafe, or any copper, in the display.
Joe, I am glad it is finally paying off
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Copper is in fact a time worn proven method of treating ick In the appropriate surroundings. Fresh waster dips are hit and miss the fresh water will cause the ick capsule to rupture do to the differential in the pressure with in and out of the capsule b In the appropriate surroundings again its hit and miss
staylor21
Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2690998
Cleaner shrimp remove some of the parasites on the fish's body. They do not remove them all. Some cleaners will not clean at all. Garlic is helpful to boost the fish's immune system. Fish can fight off ich, in small numbers, if they are healthy. Each ich parasite multiplies by the hundreds though. A few parasites can quickly turn into thousands. Tell us about your set up. What all is in your tank, how long has it been set up? Can you set up a QT and cycle it?
I have the tank up and running for about a month and went 50/50 live rock and dry rock. I have a protein skimmer and a powerhead and two anemones and two corals. All the water conditions are perfect and are where they should be. All of my fish are good in terms of movement except for the fact that they rub against some LR. They were all acclimated pretty good in my opinion and they are still eating well and its only the two tangs and the lionfish who are infested and maybe the cowfish as well. Do you think that the Garlic will do the job because it is only my blue tang that has a lot of noticeable white spots and if the garlic is not good enough what can I do?.....Oh and due a temporary low budget, I cannot afford a QT for now.
http:///forum/post/2690998
Cleaner shrimp remove some of the parasites on the fish's body. They do not remove them all. Some cleaners will not clean at all. Garlic is helpful to boost the fish's immune system. Fish can fight off ich, in small numbers, if they are healthy. Each ich parasite multiplies by the hundreds though. A few parasites can quickly turn into thousands. Tell us about your set up. What all is in your tank, how long has it been set up? Can you set up a QT and cycle it?
I have the tank up and running for about a month and went 50/50 live rock and dry rock. I have a protein skimmer and a powerhead and two anemones and two corals. All the water conditions are perfect and are where they should be. All of my fish are good in terms of movement except for the fact that they rub against some LR. They were all acclimated pretty good in my opinion and they are still eating well and its only the two tangs and the lionfish who are infested and maybe the cowfish as well. Do you think that the Garlic will do the job because it is only my blue tang that has a lot of noticeable white spots and if the garlic is not good enough what can I do?.....Oh and due a temporary low budget, I cannot afford a QT for now.
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rcreations
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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2691047
Cleaner shrimp can only treat ick infestation in one of its life cycles. Please do some research on ick and its treatment. Sir Q how is that for diplomatic
Well, I wasn't expecting the shrimp to run all over the tank catching free swimming ich with little nets like butterflies.
Obviously they only remove the ich while it's on the fish.
But in all seriousness, don't they interrupt the ich life cycle, even if just a little? If the shrimp remove the ich from the fish, that means they stop them from feeding, thus killing that particular ich parasite.
http:///forum/post/2691047
Cleaner shrimp can only treat ick infestation in one of its life cycles. Please do some research on ick and its treatment. Sir Q how is that for diplomatic
Well, I wasn't expecting the shrimp to run all over the tank catching free swimming ich with little nets like butterflies.
But in all seriousness, don't they interrupt the ich life cycle, even if just a little? If the shrimp remove the ich from the fish, that means they stop them from feeding, thus killing that particular ich parasite.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by RCreations
http:///forum/post/2691315
Well, I wasn't expecting the shrimp to run all over the tank catching free swimming ich with little nets like butterflies.
Obviously they only remove the ich while it's on the fish.
But in all seriousness, don't they interrupt the ich life cycle, even if just a little? If the shrimp remove the ich from the fish, that means they stop them from feeding, thus killing that particular ich parasite.
Sorry Sir Q
If it is obvious that the shrimp can only attract the ick in its parasitic stage while feeding on the fish it should also be obvious to you that it would be impossible for the fish to stay stationary and allow the shrimp to pic ALL of the parasites off the fish especially in the mouth and gull areas.
Interrupting the life cycle “just a little” is like being just a little pregnant. PLEASE READ and understand the valid treatment in the disease forum.
http:///forum/post/2691315
Well, I wasn't expecting the shrimp to run all over the tank catching free swimming ich with little nets like butterflies.
But in all seriousness, don't they interrupt the ich life cycle, even if just a little? If the shrimp remove the ich from the fish, that means they stop them from feeding, thus killing that particular ich parasite.
Sorry Sir Q
If it is obvious that the shrimp can only attract the ick in its parasitic stage while feeding on the fish it should also be obvious to you that it would be impossible for the fish to stay stationary and allow the shrimp to pic ALL of the parasites off the fish especially in the mouth and gull areas.
Interrupting the life cycle “just a little” is like being just a little pregnant. PLEASE READ and understand the valid treatment in the disease forum.
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rcreations
Guest
You obviously have not seen the cleaner shrimp / fish interaction in person then. I have seen my fish go up to the cleaner shrimp and stand STILL for up to 10 minutes letting the shrimp climb all over them, including around the mouth. Yes, I have read the "valid" treatment of ich, many times, as posted on these forums. But there are other "not so valid" treatments. It may not be as the "law states" on SWF, but us little guys can give suggestions to other members too.
No, I am not saying that simply having cleaner shrimp in the tank will solve all ich problems. But it DOES help.
No, I am not saying that simply having cleaner shrimp in the tank will solve all ich problems. But it DOES help.
payton 350
Member
Originally Posted by RCreations
http:///forum/post/2691446
You obviously have not seen the cleaner shrimp / fish interaction in person then. I have seen my fish go up to the cleaner shrimp and stand STILL for up to 10 minutes letting the shrimp climb all over them, including around the mouth.
I agree with the him that a fish will sit still for a long time. I have two chromis that will do just that and search out the cleaner for a good (unnecessary)cleaning in my tank. Everyday like clockwork they would seek out the cleaner for a routine cleaning.....mouth, gills, deep in the mouth, etc.....
Now to get all of the fish to cooperate is a different story.
http:///forum/post/2691446
You obviously have not seen the cleaner shrimp / fish interaction in person then. I have seen my fish go up to the cleaner shrimp and stand STILL for up to 10 minutes letting the shrimp climb all over them, including around the mouth.
I agree with the him that a fish will sit still for a long time. I have two chromis that will do just that and search out the cleaner for a good (unnecessary)cleaning in my tank. Everyday like clockwork they would seek out the cleaner for a routine cleaning.....mouth, gills, deep in the mouth, etc.....
Now to get all of the fish to cooperate is a different story.
staylor21
Member
besides the cleaner shrimp will the garlic routine work as well.....and my lionfish and porcupine puffer, since they would not allow the cleaner shrimp to clean them, how will i cure them?......will the garlic routine work with them and if so how will i mix their food(which is feeder fish) with the garlic mix?......or should i give the water dip routine a go and if yes, how would i do that?.....oh and if i some of these methods work will they get ich again?
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rcreations
Guest
I'll risk going against the SWF ich treatment written law by saying this and face Joe's wrath, but...
The garlic will build up the fish immunity and ability to fight ich. It certainly helps. Use freshly squeezed garlic only and mix the juice with whatever food you feed. Let it soak in the garlic juice for 5 minutes and then feed the fish like you normally do.
Freshwater dip is just a temporary solution, meaning some of the ich parasites will fall off the fish. But the fish will get stressed and when you put them back in the tank, the ich will be back in no time. To do it, prepare a bucket of RO/DI water, bring the temperature to that of your DT, then add buffer to bring the pH to that of your DT. Now dip the fish for 5-10 minutes in the bucket. Watch them... if they seem too distressed, take them out sooner.
The garlic will build up the fish immunity and ability to fight ich. It certainly helps. Use freshly squeezed garlic only and mix the juice with whatever food you feed. Let it soak in the garlic juice for 5 minutes and then feed the fish like you normally do.
Freshwater dip is just a temporary solution, meaning some of the ich parasites will fall off the fish. But the fish will get stressed and when you put them back in the tank, the ich will be back in no time. To do it, prepare a bucket of RO/DI water, bring the temperature to that of your DT, then add buffer to bring the pH to that of your DT. Now dip the fish for 5-10 minutes in the bucket. Watch them... if they seem too distressed, take them out sooner.
sepulatian
Moderator
The only way to ensure that ich is killed and will not come back is to remove them from the display and treat with either copper or hyposalinity. Since that is not an option for you at this time, you will have to go for controlling ich rather than killing it. Garlic will help. The puffer will eat the shrimp, and they are not cheap, so you may want to skip that idea. There are also reef safe medications that you can buy. They have mixed results. Some people swear by them, others say that they did nothing. You may want to try a garlic/reef safe med combination. Be sure that it is FRESH garlic. Bottled garlic will not do the job. Please read Beth's common treatments FAQ, located at the top of Disease and Treatment, for information on ich and the life cycle, how to prepare fresh garlic and it's uses, and a list of reef safe medications. She also has information about setting up quarantine tanks. They are very simple and not expensive. It is important that you buy one that is an appropriate size for the fish that will be in it and that you allow it to fully cycle.
Your best bet would be to work on controlling the parasites in the tank while you set up a quarantine for actual treatment. If ich is successfully kept at bay then you will still have the QT, should any of them need any other treatment. Most medications cannot be used in the tank. It will also be a good place for you to observe any new fish before they introduce something else to the rest of your tank.
Your best bet would be to work on controlling the parasites in the tank while you set up a quarantine for actual treatment. If ich is successfully kept at bay then you will still have the QT, should any of them need any other treatment. Most medications cannot be used in the tank. It will also be a good place for you to observe any new fish before they introduce something else to the rest of your tank.
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rcreations
Guest
I'm not familiar with Stop Parasite but it sounds like a good plan, I agree with what Sep said. I've heard some good things about Kick Ich, but I have no experience with it myself.