Ick vaccine

florida joe

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Missing some good exchanges with my good friend Sep (sir Q to me) I decided to dig deeper into the Ick problem. What I found out is that it also presents a problem for aquaculture fish in the whole sale for human consumption trade.
Hawai'i Institute of Marine Biology is doing research on a vaccine.To prevent ick. There is much to much info for me to cull and post but it is well worth someone’s time to goggle the site and read for them self’s
Perhaps if enough of us read it we can start a thread and discuss it in depth
 

beth

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Can you post the link to site, or give us a google hint.
Personally, the idea of a vaccine for farmed fish on the initial face of it, gives me the willies.
 

al mc

Active Member
Beth/Joe...Any google search I do brings up info from the Hawain Institute that is from 2004. As science goes this is old. Where are you finding this current info about vaccinations for Ich Joe?
 
Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/2551067
Beth/Joe...Any google search I do brings up info from the Hawain Institute that is from 2004. As science goes this is old. Where are you finding this current info about vaccinations for Ich Joe?
+1
 

florida joe

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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2551113
Please show us where you are finding this new research.
i am going crazy trying to get back to where i found it. this is somthing i saved
Conclusion
This study confirmed previous observations of aquaculturists that Cryptocaryon irritans may be a serious pathogen of opakapaka. Other parasites such as the coccidians (Goussia spp.), the monogeneans and the copepods should be monitored as related species are already recognized as causes of disease in marine aquaculture. These parasites are monoxenous (one host) parasites and thus may proliferate in or on fish in captivity. Interestingly, the external parasites (Cryptocaryon, monogeneans and copepods) were much more prevalent in fish held in tanks, suggesting that the netpen environment was more favorable for avoiding proliferation of these potential pathogens in captive fish.
Figure 17. Cyst of unknown origin surrounded by metaplastic cartilage [C] in kidney.
Bacterial infections and associated inflammatory changes in the swim bladder were very likely the result of the practice of de-gassing captured fish by insertion of a hypodermic needle into the swim bladder, and thus at this point would be considered as only opportunists.
Likewise, exophthalmia was consistently associated with gas emboli in the eyes, again probably associated with collecting procedures. However, other causes should be considered if this condition arises in captive-reared fish. Blood smears and kidney imprints were for the most part not informative, but they did confirm that fish fish did have exhibit septicemia or obvious blood parasites.
Further studies should entail continued routine diagnostics of moribund and dead fish. Cryptocaryon is already recognized as a health problem with this and other marine fishes held in captivity, and we recommend research on the control of this pathogen. Considering the difficulties with the use of external baths in netpens, we suggest that a long-term solution may be the development of a vaccine for this ciliate parasite. This approach shows promise as significant success for the development of a vaccine has been achieved for Ichthyophthirius multifiliis (Clark and Dickerson 1997), Cryptocaryon's freshwater cousin. Moreover, as with Ich, it is already recognized that fish that have recovered from Cryptocaryon infections exhibit resistance to reinfection (Dickerson and Dawe 1999).
Although we have not identified viral diseases in opakapaka to date, it is likely that some viral diseases will afflict this species as culture of this fish moves forward. Therefore, another area of research would be the development of specific cell lines from opakapaka and related fishes. Many fish viruses require rather specific cell lines, and thus have only been isolated using cell lines derived from the host species. Last, it would be worthwhile to describe the coccidians as they may cause problems in the future in this host or related fish species.
 

sepulatian

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I keep getting a "page cannot be found", but my computer is quirky. I will see if I can access it later. The others that your sources indicate are very different from Cryptocarryon irritans. They mention FW ich, multifiliis, as their reference for showing sign of resistance. Cryp. irritans has been doing that for quite some time, which is why we sometimes have to use copper. The references in this passage are from the late 90's.
 

florida joe

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I will place a call Monday to see if this is an on going research or if I misread the information and the project has been abandoned
 

beth

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I didn't really see any revelations in that articles, however, FJoe, if you call them, tell them to hypo their tanks with fish....that will take care of the ich. I doubt they even know about hypo; it would be interesting to see if they do.
Obviously vaccines and medications will have a potential adverse effect on fish that are targeted for human consumptions. There is no secret that marine life carry a host of pathogens in the wild, which is usually kept in checked while they remain in the wild. This is a very good reason why I never eat raw seafood anything. Naturally, a well cooked meal will kill off most pathogens.
 

florida joe

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Beth I will definitely place a call to the University of Hawaii Monday morning. I feel that since they granted the money for the research I should start there. I will inform them about your suggestion on performing Hypo on the fish at their marine biology department. Hopefully they will educate the people responsible for maintaing the fish farms. I may be mistaken but I believe breeding and growing tanks in that state are maintained in a constant flow environment feed by influent water from the ocean so I am not sure how they would maintain a hypo situation perhaps you can help them out there also.
If your doubts about the university not knowing anything about Hypo prove to be true I will most certainly fax them a copy of the procedure.
You may in fact become an instant hero im the marine biology field through out the state of Hawaii.
 

beth

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LOL. I doubt that little ole me can add much to the vast wealth of knowledge and experience of the university. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
 

florida joe

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Beth you are being far too modest, you are our resident expert. I am sure little ole you can teach them a thing or two
And it can not be that vast a wealth of knowledge if as you say they may not even know about hypo
 

beth

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I actually do not consider myself an expert, even though the school of hard knocks has taught me a thing or two about fish diseases. Hobby related fish diseases and treatments discussed by me is common knowledge by the real experts and by other hobbyists who favor getting disease info and literature out there on forums and hobby media.
Fish disease is the real down side, "I'd rather not think about it" aspect to this hobby. I feel lucky to have had a way via this forum to try and get the info no one really wants to hear out there. The end result, hopefully has saved a few fish and maybe improved the husbandry practices of some. The regulars to this forum definitely advance this effort.
 

florida joe

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Beth I can only speak for myself when I say, there are times when I have perceived a holeyer then thou attitude in some of your posts. BUT I applauded you for your devotion, commitment, passion and love for our hobby. In the long run it is people like you the grass roots hobbyist giving us information that far surpass anything we can learn out of a book. PLEASE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. I for one am a better hobbyist for it
 

beth

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I have gone from being a hand-holding crutch, "lead me every step of the way" moderator in this forum to what you have today, 8 years later. It may be my own perception, but after dealing with so very many hobbyists in crisis over the years, "the hard cold truth, do it my way or face the consequences" seems to work best for most, even if I don't get the moderator congeniality award.
That's not necessarily the case in the other forums, but fish diseases is a bitter pill for those in crisis and being all nice and fuzzy sometimes just doesn't get people moving to do what they need to do.
 

florida joe

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Beth dear heart "but fish diseases is a bitter pill for those in crisis and being all nice and fuzzy sometimes just doesn't get people moving to do what they need to do. " is a statment that I whole
heartily agree with perhaps that is why I may seem rude to people
 

beth

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I am hoping, however, that I am not rude. I don't believe that rudeness accomplishes anything but anger from the one seeking help. We've discussed this before.
 
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