I'd like to see an African American or female president in 2008

reefraff

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Basing your vote on a person's race or --- is,,,, well racist or sexist

I kinda think the first black president will have to come out of the Republican party. There are more Democrats than you would like to admitt that aren't ready to elect a Black president. The Democrat party gets about 90% on the black vote. If the Republicans were to run someone like Michael Steele he would peel off a lot of Black votes, more than enough to make up for those in the party who wouldn't vote for him based on his race. Look at the popularity of Colin Powel and Condy Rice in the party. It isn't all a bunch of racist geeks.
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
Thats kind of an odd post from you crimzy, has the tailspin in Ann Arbor made you hysterical?
You would vote for him because
he is African American??? Don't care what he stands for? What if he decided he wanted to keep the war you hate so much going? Dosen't matter?
Just found this to be a strange post based on others i've seen from you.

I realize this may sound strange. The only other factor that really concerns me is the candidates stance on the war. Everything else is just BS. I'm going to lower taxes blah blah blah, I'm going to improve the schools and health care blah blah blah, I'm going to secure our borders and our nation blah blah blah, etc. I just think two things: (1) we cannot do any worse than what we have now, and (2) electing a black man would show some social progress.
It may be an arbitrary reason to like the guy but as long as he'll get us out of the war, I'd like to see this happen.
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by crimzy
I realize this may sound strange. The only other factor that really concerns me is the candidates stance on the war. Everything else is just BS. I'm going to lower taxes blah blah blah, I'm going to improve the schools and health care blah blah blah, I'm going to secure our borders and our nation blah blah blah, etc. I just think two things: (1) we cannot do any worse than what we have now, and (2) electing a black man would show some social progress.
It may be an arbitrary reason to like the guy but as long as he'll get us out of the war, I'd like to see this happen.

Wow. I thought you were smarter than that. I can understand folks not liking war. None of us really do like it. But do you really think if any of the Dems make it in, the war will miraculously end??? All you are hearing from candidates is what they think you want to hear. Not what they will do.
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
How about a Hispanic president?
Carlos Mencia. I like his thought process. I'd vote for him.
 

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by crimzy
I realize this may sound strange. The only other factor that really concerns me is the candidates stance on the war. Everything else is just BS. I'm going to lower taxes blah blah blah, I'm going to improve the schools and health care blah blah blah, I'm going to secure our borders and our nation blah blah blah, etc. I just think two things: (1) we cannot do any worse than what we have now, and (2) electing a black man would show some social progress.
It may be an arbitrary reason to like the guy but as long as he'll get us out of the war, I'd like to see this happen.
Ok, you redeemed yourself nicely.
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
Wow. I thought you were smarter than that. I can understand folks not liking war. None of us really do like it. But do you really think if any of the Dems make it in, the war will miraculously end??? All you are hearing from candidates is what they think you want to hear. Not what they will do.
Interesting use of color. And don't insult me... I'm definitely NOT smarter than that!!!
Anyway, of course candidates will lie to get elected. But on this issue, I do believe that their feelings on the war are somewhat legitimate. There are definitely candidates who have made it known that they'll stay in this war forever (Guliani, McCain).
 
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tizzo

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There are black people I would consider voting for, but that's a mute point. To say you would vote for somebody "because" they are black does not signify social progress, it's a hand out. If an African american has worked through the ranks and "earned" your vote, then that, IMO is social progress.
C. Rice or C. Powell would be good candidates IMO.
I think they earned it and the color of their skin would be irrelevant, or at least that would be my hope.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
How about a Hispanic president?
I was prepaired to send Bill Richardson a big check. The guy has a great resume. Then he did an interview on Meet the Press. God what a let down. The guy couldn't buy a clue with Warren Buffet's money. The fact Richardson is hispanic didn't really enter into the thinking though.
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by crimzy
Interesting use of color. And don't insult me... I'm definitely NOT smarter than that!!!
Anyway, of course candidates will lie to get elected. But on this issue, I do believe that their feelings on the war are somewhat legitimate. There are definitely candidates who have made it known that they'll stay in this war forever (Guliani, McCain).
Used color to accentuate the meaning. The candidates (Guliani, McCain) and others like them, will tell it like it is. It's the ones that are totally denouncing everything that we (USA) are doing that you should watch out for.
Their feelings are legitamate???? They are trying to get elected. They are calling each other morons. They would sell out their own Mothers to get elected.
Please try to look beyond the words, and closer to the issues. On both sides of the fence.
 
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tizzo

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As far as women. I hate to say it but they do not possess the strongest of leadership skills. And if they do, they come across as Bi***y, women are in lose lose when it comes to issues like that. Not all women, but most do not have the strong personality to consider an issue, take charge and execute without distracting persuations.
Cept of course Jennythe bugg, you go girl, I'll vote for you!! haha
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
Used color to accentuate the meaning. The candidates (Guliani, McCain) and others like them, will tell it like it is. It's the ones that are totally denouncing everything that we (USA) are doing that you should watch out for.
Their feelings are legitamate???? They are trying to get elected. They are calling each other morons. They would sell out their own Mothers to get elected.
Please try to look beyond the words, and closer to the issues. On both sides of the fence.
You're kind of making my point. If we cannot believe anything that they say then it is silly to vote based on their campaign running points. Then we should use another measure to judge their worth... could be just an impression, could be physical appearance, could be race/gender.
 
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tizzo

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I think we should all together do away with the president's job and hire a bunch of state reps. If you don't like yours, you move to another state.
 

groupergenius

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The whole "vote for him/her just because they are black, smacks of Affirmative Action. Who gives a crud if your qualified for the job, we need to fill the quota.
Sad, very sad.
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
The whole "vote for him/her just because they are black, smacks of Affirmative Action. Who gives a crud if your qualified for the job, we need to fill the quota.
Sad, very sad.
It's not about a quota or Affirmative Action. There are a lot of qualified minorities. I'd just like to see the US break the seal from electing the same old boys network type of candidates. It would be nice if the presidential racial/gender barrier were broken.
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by crimzy
You're kind of making my point. If we cannot believe anything that they say then it is silly to vote based on their campaign running points. Then we should use another measure to judge their worth... could be just an impression, could be physical appearance, could be race/gender.

Nope, miles apart.
When I hear a candidate saying that we need to stay the course and not cut and run, I understand and agree with it. We went in to accomplish a goal and we would come out as complete losers in World relations if we didn't finish.
I know that Hillary understands this. Obama may as well. But they can not go against losers like Harry Reid, Pelosi, Biden, and the Liberal cronies like MoveOn and the mainstream media. It would kill their campaign. It is sick to see them hold their personal convictions inside just to try to win a job that should reflect their personal convictions.
 

groupergenius

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It's not about a quota or Affirmative Action. There are a lot of qualified minorities. I'd just like to see the US break the seal from electing the same old boys network type of candidates. It would be nice if the presidential racial/gender barrier were broken.
Originally Posted by crimzy
I may be the only one here but I would vote for Obama primarily BECAUSE he was african american. Doesn't sound like he will have a lot of support though.
Say that again??
 

wattsupdoc

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It seems to me Crimzy that you dont feel as the presidents job is important, but that making a change is whats important. Accepting any kind of change. And really without flaming you, making any kind of decision based on a persons race/--- is racist/sexist. Regardless of the intent behind it. We all want change, and it's my belief that because the war is a heavy burdeon on us all (I support it) myself included, we will elect anybody who seems to give us the biggest change. Regardless of what it is. So a racist/sexist person sees those things and decides that the african american guy is the one to vote for. Really I feel that that statement/action is out of desperation, and makes all of us Americans seem weak. Which is fuel for Al queida and furthermore any other country or organization who hates us. Please vote for the candidate who you believe will do the best job. Read between the lines when they speak and and ignore any race/---. I dont believe that Hillary would be quite as proud if she was elected solely because she was a woman. I mean there are those who believe they're really voting for Bill by voting for her.
BTW she may get my vote, we'll see.
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
It seems to me Crimzy that you dont feel as the presidents job is important, but that making a change is whats important. Accepting any kind of change. And really without flaming you, making any kind of decision based on a persons race/--- is racist/sexist. Regardless of the intent behind it. We all want change, and it's my belief that because the war is a heavy burdeon on us all (I support it) myself included, we will elect anybody who seems to give us the biggest change. Regardless of what it is. So a racist/sexist person sees those things and decides that the african american guy is the one to vote for. Really I feel that that statement/action is out of desperation, and makes all of us Americans seem weak. Which is fuel for Al queida and furthermore any other country or organization who hates us. Please vote for the candidate who you believe will do the best job. Read between the lines when they speak and and ignore any race/---. I dont believe that Hillary would be quite as proud if she was elected solely because she was a woman. I mean there are those who believe they're really voting for Bill by voting for her.
BTW she may get my vote, we'll see.


You can call me a racist or sexist... that's cool. I don't see the correlation between my wanting to break down a barrier and being a racist but it really doesn't matter. You are entitled to your opinion.
But let's not act like everyone else in the country is voting for the right people either. After all, we elected the jackass in office now (not me, I didn't vote for him either time). This guy was elected because, as you say, people thought he would do the best job. As it turns out, he has been the most corrupt and damaging president this country has ever seen.
On a more local front, the mayor of Detroit, Kwame Kilpatrick, is now serving his second term in office. Throughout his time in office, issues have been discovered left and right about him misusing the city's funds, buying cars for family members, taking lavish trips, etc. Just yesterday, a civil jury awarded a verdict against him, in favor of 2 former police officers, for $6.5 million. He had fired them because they were investigating a crime-ridden party that occurred in the Mayor's mansion. A couple mayors before him, the people elected Coleman Young, who dessimated the city.
The point of all this is that the voters don't seem to have a clue how to make this decision. I don't know how the American people get it wrong so often. But my "racist" opinion would further the goal of social equality in this country.
 
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