ID on Photo-shy fish & Stocking question

smork81

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Best I can explain is this guy is orange, has really big eyes and moves VERY fast hence why i can't get a pic of it. The caudal fins are scissor like, has a nice sharpness to them. Also it has a big mouth. NO idea if this will help at all but I can't find anywhere with a pic of it.
I have the fish previously mentioned(2-1/2 inch), flame angel (2-1/2 inch), 4 stripe damsel(1-1/2 inch) and a Blue velvet damsel(2 inch). Is this too much for a 55g w/30g sump and approx. a 15g refugium? Not sure about the lbs on LS but it covers the bottom from 3-1/2 inch but no more than 4-1/2. I have approx. 100lbs of LR. Will these 4 fish do fine in this tank full grown? Or am I overstocking allready?
 

smork81

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Yeh that is def. it! Thanks guys.
I had no idea what it was but was told it would not get much bigger. Really cool fish though. WIll do some research now that i know what it is.
Any comments on the stocking question though???
 

smork81

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Ok i think i made a mistake purchasing this fish before doing research on it. Says it can get up to 8 inches and will eat small "things" in the aquaria i.e. small fish, shrimp etc...Oh dear god what have I got!
Please anyone enlighten me on this. Is this information true and should this fish be kept in a species/aggressive tank?
 

sharkboy13

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Originally Posted by Smork81
Ok i think i made a mistake purchasing this fish before doing research on it. Says it can get up to 8 inches and will eat small "things" in the aquaria i.e. small fish, shrimp etc...Oh dear god what have I got!
Please anyone enlighten me on this. Is this information true and should this fish be kept in a species/aggressive tank?
thats the prob w/ impulse buys, nevr kno what u got
 

renogaw

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i don't think you're overstocked, but those damsels will keep killing your new fish additions so you will be fine--you just won't be able to stock anything else
 

renogaw

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btw smork (a little off topic i know) there's someone in the classified section in NV that wants to give away a gorilla crab. i still havent gotten mine out of my rock yet.
 

smork81

Member
Originally Posted by Sharkboy13
thats the prob w/ impulse buys, nevr kno what u got
Well it was not an impulse buy. It was an uninformed buy on my part. Also I was told the wrong things by the seller. Also i was not asking your opinion on wether or not it was an impulse buy, that is useless info to me. I was, however, asking if anyone has any info on this species that they can give me.
 

smork81

Member
Originally Posted by renogaw
btw smork (a little off topic i know) there's someone in the classified section in NV that wants to give away a gorilla crab. i still havent gotten mine out of my rock yet.
Cool, Will they ship? 39581 zip for me

ahh i found the post. Thanks renogaw.
 

smork81

Member
Originally Posted by renogaw
i don't think you're overstocked, but those damsels will keep killing your new fish additions so you will be fine--you just won't be able to stock anything else

I am not adding anymore fish to this tank at all. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't overstocked as is. Believe it or not the damsels are not very aggressive. The flame angel and the squirrel fish are slighty larger than the damsels. Even before these 2 damsels weren't overly agressive like i hear everyone say they are. I have had 2 Domino damsels and they were the spawn of satan
They are gone now though.
 

smork81

Member
I need some reputable information on this fish.
1. What size will they reach in a home aquarium?
2. Besides live food will they eat prepared foods?
3. Will it for sure eat my shrimp and inverts?
4. Is it agressive?
Any other info i have not listed here would be appreciated. Thanks!
 

dogstar

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The photo.....
Classification: Taxonomy, Relation With Other Groups
Squirrelfishes, Family Holocentridae ("Whole-oh-sen-trid-ee") are members of an Order of fishes, Beryciformes ("Bear-eh-see-form-ace"), that is not very familiar to many aquarists.
Some fish taxonomists separate the family Holocentridae into the 'true' Squirrelfishes (Subfamily Holocentrinae) and the Soldierfishes, Subfamily Myripristinae. The Squirrelfish family Holocentridae itself is represented by about sixty five species in eight genera. Most Squirrelfishes are reddish in color mixed with silver and white; all have large eyes, and are nocturnal
, hiding in crevices or beneath ledges by day (typically with Cardinalfishes, Bigeyes and Sweepers). These are shallow water fishes, found from the surface to about 100 meters.
Natural Range
Tropical marine, Atlantic, Indian and Pacific reefs.
Habitat
Can you replicate the hiding netherworld of ledges and coves by day, the bottom, food searching, nocturnal swimming space by night?
Size
Most to about six inches in captivity, some to a foot and a half in the wild.
Chemical/Physical
Not demanding; lower temperatures are preferred, 72-78 degrees F.. Higher temperatures may bring on a feeding strike and odd behavior. Higher, steady specific gravity are appreciated, closer to 1.025; maybe due to their close association with invertebrates?
Biology/Other
I'd like to mention that holocentrids produce audible sound, above and below water. They grind their pharyngeal teeth and stretch muscles against their long gas bladders; much like rubbing your fingers along a balloon.
Territoriality
Generally not. Squirrelfishes live comfortably alone as adults. In the wild most live in aggregations as young.
Introduction/Acclimation
Best put in established systems, keeping light on but subdued for a couple of days.
Predator/Prey Relations
Most Squirrelfishes as individuals get along with their own kind, other species of Squirrelfishes and other tankmates. Most would-be predators give them wide berth after looking over their overall spininess.....
Think twice size-wise about using squirrels as reef-tank organisms. They are supreme choices as being hardy and interesting, but will greedily swallow any and all crustaceans that can fit into their expansive mouths. If you lack and do not intend to have shrimp(s) or crab(s), and would like to minimize bristle and other worm activity, consider a squirrelfish.
Feeding/Foods/Nutrition: Types, Frequency, Amount, Wastes
They are predators on small very small fishes and mobile invertebrates, principally crustaceans in the wild. Livebearers, shrimp and other fresh and frozen meaty foods are acceptable; avoid pellets, flake and other dry prepared foods; these will not sustain them.....
If your specimens are new, refusing food, or go on a feeding strike, execute a large water change and try a live shrimp with the lights off on the system. Generally Squirrelfishes can be trained to take 'wiggled' krill or other shrimp.
 

smork81

Member
Some people say you can put 20 tangs in a 55g and they say they do it with no problem *cough BS* But others say rule of thumb is 5g per inch of fish i think..All depends on your filtration, water quality etc...
Not sure though..I would start another thread about it instead of posting in this one.
 

crabsrkewl

Member
Hey why not post to a thread that was posted 11 months ago!!!!!!!!
Anyway I have a squirrel fish and he is by far my favorite fish. He started eating freeze dried plankton the day I brought him home and is a very kewl fish. He has never bothered my 3 shrimp and once I even caught him getting a cleaning from my cleaner shrimp. Also yes he is very strictly nocturnal and only comes out in daylight to get some frozen plankton. He can open his mouth very wide and once this is done his fins stick out like a flag. I have never had an incident with my damselfish, clownfish, blenny, or psuedochromis. (Although he did kill my cardinal fish.) I hope if you still care about this 11 months later that it helps
 
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