idea wanted !!!

krusk

Member
Hi folks,
I'm gonna setup 300G reef with 75G Sump and 55G Refugium.
I can place any internal overflows in the tank.
Where would you put the internal overflow?
center? 2 corner? what is the flowrate.
Tank size is 96" L x 30" W x 24" T.
Lighting 4x250 W MH , 8x110 VHO
DSB 4"-5" (PureAgragonite), about 400 lbs LR (different type, Fiji, caribean, tonga etc.)
I do not wish to use any power head in this aquarium. 1-2 is ok (must not be visible).
Ideas and suggestions are greatly appreciated.
 

seanic aquarium

New Member
Personally i would go for the two corners, i feel it skims the surface better. If you put one in the center let it overflow from both sides and not just one side. The key is to skim all water, and when in the center with only one side open, you get dead areas on the surface.
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krusk

Member
I want to use 2 Mag Drive 24 as the return pump.
I don't think these pump will take care of my water current for the reef tank.
any suggestion?
 

krusk

Member
It's gonna be 4-5' up from the sump.
If MagDrive 24 will lost 25% of it's rate. What is the other pump I can get?
I have though about the PCV frame. It's a good idea, but I don't think I like that.
Closed Loop. I have never research or study about this technic , any quick mentor? (thanks)
I'm think placing the 2 overflows (2" hole drill) 1' inside the side wall so they are 6' apart. There will be also 2 returnes (3/4" drill) installed in the overflow to hide with 3 way out(direction adjustible) on each return.
thanks again
 

broomer5

Active Member
A return line does indeed have a static pressure in relation to atmospheric pressure.
No pressure drop = no flow.
 

richard rendos

Active Member
anthem, why then do pump manufacturers make circulation pumps and pressure pumps if they are all pressurized? I understand that there is pressure on a return but when I think pressurized, I think canister filter, calcium reactor, etc. These have water being forced into them at a higher rate than is coming out of them. I don't mean to argue with you, I generally agree with most of your posts and have much respect. I am trying to clear this up in my mind, not say that you are wrong.
 

broomer5

Active Member
Richard,
Manufacturer's of pumps make different types of pumps for different applications.
With most every centrifugal pump, it all comes down to the design of the impeller and it's surrounding housing.
If you tear down an inexpensive powerhead or return pump, you'll see the impeller is just rotating around inside a circular flat housing. It spins and creates pressure within this circular area and drives the water out the discharge. The water moves out because it there is a difference of pressure between the internal chamber where the impeller is, and the atmospheric pressure outside the pump.
As anthem has indicated many times before, these pumps serve us well as powerheads, or in a case where you do not have much head pressure ( backpressure ) working against the discharge of the pump.
They are cheaper to make and work well for powerheads in the tank.
But they are limited to how much they can flow if there's a much backpressure.
The design just is not efficient with backpressure present.
So manufacturer's also make centrifugal pumps that have a different design.
Instead of an small "open" circular area that the impeller spins within, it's a much larger area in comparison, and they enclose this area a lot more. On the inner walls of this enclosed area you'll see "vanes" or raised areas that help channel water. As impeller spins, the water accelerates along these vanes/channels and moves with a greater force. Again there is pressure and out the water goes.
But because of the "better" design, with this enclosed casing surrounding the impeller vanes, the pump is much more efficient, normally moves a lot more water, and most important can handle a heck of a lot more backpressure.
It's not a postive displacement pump, but as the impeller spins, the water exits the pump with greater pressure in relation to atmospheric.
These pump naturally are more expensive.
You can use these types of pumps for most any application, especially on tanks with higher head pressures, or as we're on the topic .... as a "pressure" pump.
No pump likes to be dead-headed - as if you totally shut off the flow from the discharge with a valve. This creates so much backpressure the pump will normally heat up and fail.
Cheap pumps - cheaper design - better for low head, where you want "flow" and have relatively low backpressure.
Expensive pumps - better more efficient design - better for relatively higher head, relatively higher backpressure, and installations that you want "pressure" and "flow".
 
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