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stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/382028/if-you-care-about-your-hobby-please-look#post_3332972
So does anybody have a link to any scientific data concerning this issue. So far the best I've found was something to the effect of noticing about a 40% reduction in the amount of yellow tangs in the collection areas compared to the non collection areas. When this bill was first brought to the table a couple of years back I don't think there was any real data either way that specifically says one thing or another. I was just curious.
I did happen to catch this article by Robert Wintner (executive director of the snorkel bob foundation). http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/editorial-070814-1.html I got a bit of a kick out of the part where he makes the comparison of hobbyists and pedophiles.
"We want to convert home hobbyists, not get them pissed off in a name-calling exchange. We want to shame them gently. I think of the internet pedophiles lured into the kitchen where the MSNBC cameras are rolling so the world can see them-they hang their heads, knowing their appetite is so wicked. Aquarium keeping is similarly shameful, but the perpetrators must be treated with understanding and help toward rehabilitation. "" "" (Robert Wintner)
Well, this hobby is an addiction. So maybe a little rehab isn't such a bad thing.

lol, so I'm a pedifile...
The stupid thing is, Hawaii has a pretty regulated fish program if I'm not mistaken. If they shut it down, people are just going to buy their fish somewhere else... Actually over harvesting yellow tangs.
Kind of like the elephant trade. The countries that allow regulated elephant hunting are seeing their populations rebound vs countries with complete bans, which are still seeing the same problems as beforehand...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6091334.stm
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/382028/if-you-care-about-your-hobby-please-look#post_3332972
So does anybody have a link to any scientific data concerning this issue. So far the best I've found was something to the effect of noticing about a 40% reduction in the amount of yellow tangs in the collection areas compared to the non collection areas. When this bill was first brought to the table a couple of years back I don't think there was any real data either way that specifically says one thing or another. I was just curious.
I did happen to catch this article by Robert Wintner (executive director of the snorkel bob foundation). http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/editorial-070814-1.html I got a bit of a kick out of the part where he makes the comparison of hobbyists and pedophiles.
"We want to convert home hobbyists, not get them pissed off in a name-calling exchange. We want to shame them gently. I think of the internet pedophiles lured into the kitchen where the MSNBC cameras are rolling so the world can see them-they hang their heads, knowing their appetite is so wicked. Aquarium keeping is similarly shameful, but the perpetrators must be treated with understanding and help toward rehabilitation. "" "" (Robert Wintner)
Well, this hobby is an addiction. So maybe a little rehab isn't such a bad thing.

http://www.unep-wcmc.org/resources/publications/UNEP_WCMC_bio_series/17.htm
In the report, there's lots of info about a multitude of things about the hobby. It's not geared specifically at Hawaii, and slightly toward corals, but still lots of numbers and stuff there, and they do go into a number of specific fish.
About the article that joke article, just more of the same. Knowing how to play to an audience and grab peoples attention.
 
d-man

d-man

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so how many of you live by the ocean and spend time in or around it on a consistent basis? I am all for this and think that if you want to be responsible in this hobby you need to support aqua-cultured products. The Santa Cruz community is very close to the Hawaiian community because there are so many people that live here for half the year and there for half and the general vibe is that Hawaii is getting really messed up from all the people that don't know what localism is. I have quite a few friends that a marine biologists and get to travel the world and see this stuff first hand and it's pretty sad out there. Do any of you even know one person that has been to the pacific trash vortex? it's the size of Texas! The ocean is getting really fucked up sorry for the language but it's appropriate for the situation, and most of the people in this hobby don't really know much about the ocean for real, they just know what in is their tank!
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by d-man http:///forum/thread/382028/if-you-care-about-your-hobby-please-look/20#post_3334491
you need to support aqua-cultured products.
As the bulk of items people in the hobby want aren't available aquacultured, and not for the foreseeable future, supporting responsible/sustainable collection practices and those people who practice it, is far more important.
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Originally Posted by d-man https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/forum/thread/382028/if-you-care-about-your-hobby-please-look/20#post_3334491
so how many of you live by the ocean and spend time in or around it on a consistent basis? I am all for this and think that if you want to be responsible in this hobby you need to support aqua-cultured products. The Santa Cruz community is very close to the Hawaiian community because there are so many people that live here for half the year and there for half and the general vibe is that Hawaii is getting really messed up from all the people that don't know what localism is. I have quite a few friends that a marine biologists and get to travel the world and see this stuff first hand and it's pretty sad out there. Do any of you even know one person that has been to the pacific trash vortex? it's the size of Texas! The ocean is getting , and most of the people in this hobby don't really know much about the ocean for real, they just know what in is their tank!
What does the pacific gyre have to do with us (North America) or the hobby?
The collectors in Hawaii, the ones that are out there collecting the fish, tell a different tale. The ones that I directly spoke to and sent me my Crosshatch Trigger, my Hawaiian Lionfish (D. Barberi), my Hawaiian BiColor Anthias, etc. In fact, they are finding Crosshatch triggers in more locations then ever, and in shallower depths.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/382028/if-you-care-about-your-hobby-please-look/20#post_3334514
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Originally Posted by d-man http:///forum/thread/382028/if-you-care-about-your-hobby-please-look/20#post_3334491
you need to support aqua-cultured products.
As the bulk of items people in the hobby want aren't available aquacultured, and not for the foreseeable future, supporting responsible/sustainable collection practices and those people who practice it, is far more important.
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Originally Posted by d-man https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/forum/thread/382028/if-you-care-about-your-hobby-please-look/20#post_3334491
so how many of you live by the ocean and spend time in or around it on a consistent basis? I am all for this and think that if you want to be responsible in this hobby you need to support aqua-cultured products. The Santa Cruz community is very close to the Hawaiian community because there are so many people that live here for half the year and there for half and the general vibe is that Hawaii is getting really messed up from all the people that don't know what localism is. I have quite a few friends that a marine biologists and get to travel the world and see this stuff first hand and it's pretty sad out there. Do any of you even know one person that has been to the pacific trash vortex? it's the size of Texas! The ocean is getting , and most of the people in this hobby don't really know much about the ocean for real, they just know what in is their tank!
What does the pacific gyre have to do with us (North America) or the hobby?
The collectors in Hawaii, the ones that are out there collecting the fish, tell a different tale. The ones that I directly spoke to and sent me my Crosshatch Trigger, my Hawaiian Lionfish (D. Barberi), my Hawaiian BiColor Anthias, etc. In fact, they are finding Crosshatch triggers in more locations then ever, and in shallower depths.
I've heard the same thing from a local here who has connections in the Hawaii trade. Of course the collectors have the same agenda issues as the tree huger types who twist things around to fit their agenda too so who do you believe?
 
speg

speg

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/382028/if-you-care-about-your-hobby-please-look/20#post_3334524
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Originally Posted by d-man http:///forum/thread/382028/if-you-care-about-your-hobby-please-look/20#post_3334491
There is no situation that warrants your deliberate violation of forum rules. I would suggest editing your post before a moderator sees it, Family forum.
I agree. There's probably a hundred words you could have used that meant the same thing.
Also, I've lived next to the ocean for 27 years. I have worked as a "shrimper" for a few of those years, I've participated in fishing, snorkling, hanging out on the beach, etc. I find it amazing that fishers/shrimpers can pull up so many fish and still pull up the same amount (if not more) year after year after year.
Fish repopulate pretty quickly. Coral, that's the fragile part. I would agree about supporting aquacultured coral; the last few years of the hobby has been doing amazing with aquaculture, its practice and techniques.
Throwing trash into the ocean, oil spills, and other pollution is day-and-night different than fishing/collecting.
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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Just as a warning to everyone cursing NEVER has been, nor will be, allowed on this site. It is a family site, please keep it that way... Thank you
 
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