petieaztec
Member
turn yourself in and tell them you are crazy and need to be locked up forever before i get my hands on you.
37g joe
Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
I can understand how this would be a problem from the offender's perspective. Personally, I don't necessarily sympathize. In fact, I have considered approaching the one offender in my subdivision to let him know that I don't expect him anywhere near my family or my house. Probably not a big issue right now because my daughter's a baby, but as she grows I want her to be able to ride her bike in an otherwise kid friendly subdivision. Maybe this is wrong but my main concern is my family... if I'm being rude or unfair to this guy, oh well.
Just a lesson to everyone... prosecutors are ambitious. You need a good attorney on your side. Not all lawyers are equal.
I agree with Crimzy 100% and that usually does not happen. the fact is most of these people should of never been let out of jail and some in my opinion should of been executed. Once they commited these awful crimes they forfitted thier right to privacy because we have the right to know who to protect our children from. How many lives have been ruined by this sort of act. they dont deserv to have a normal life.
I can understand how this would be a problem from the offender's perspective. Personally, I don't necessarily sympathize. In fact, I have considered approaching the one offender in my subdivision to let him know that I don't expect him anywhere near my family or my house. Probably not a big issue right now because my daughter's a baby, but as she grows I want her to be able to ride her bike in an otherwise kid friendly subdivision. Maybe this is wrong but my main concern is my family... if I'm being rude or unfair to this guy, oh well.
Just a lesson to everyone... prosecutors are ambitious. You need a good attorney on your side. Not all lawyers are equal.
I agree with Crimzy 100% and that usually does not happen. the fact is most of these people should of never been let out of jail and some in my opinion should of been executed. Once they commited these awful crimes they forfitted thier right to privacy because we have the right to know who to protect our children from. How many lives have been ruined by this sort of act. they dont deserv to have a normal life.
petieaztec
Member
yeah i agree with you both. being attracted to a child is sick and i don't think it can be cured. it is like men who beat their wives. sooner or later they don't weant to get caught and/or punished so they kill their victims. it caps my hide BIG TIME when these predetors get minimal sentences. really what has our world come to?
celacanthr
Active Member
1 raper is within .13 miles of me...
1 sexual batter(er?) within .46 miles from me
then there are 91 other offendors are 1/2-a-mile or more away
the world is a scary....scary place...
1 sexual batter(er?) within .46 miles from me
then there are 91 other offendors are 1/2-a-mile or more away
the world is a scary....scary place...
swlover
Member
Ok, I think to answer your question.."what is this world comming to" it's the cycles that need to be broken. Most --- offenders learn this behavior from relatives, neighbors friends that have done it to them. These people need serious therapy at a young age when it has happened to them, and even then there is no guarantee it will work, but anything is better than nothing. I know someone in particular who was molested when she was 5 and her mother has yet to get that girl any help..no matter what anyone says..she says the girl is fine..she is not. And if she dosen't get the help she needs she will probably in turn either do it to someone else or look to drugs and drink, get into seriously bad relationships when she gets older, it's a vicious cycle. But yea i agree with most of you, these people don't change..ever, they may curb their desires for awhile but it is sure to raise it's ugly head and then onto their victoms and so on. Remember back a few years ago they were talking about castration for --- offenders?? Even taking that part off dosen't prevent the act..they are taking off the wrong part..it's in the brain. I say let the victoms families decide what their fate is...If you molest a child, murder, or any other haness crime.. the families should be the one's who pass judgement on them and decide what is to do..maybe the population of --- offenders and murders would think twice about doing their crimes..I know I would show no mercy...
forestgump
New Member
I have two problems with this registry, the first is the obvious, the guy who kicked a guy in the testicals, or the the girl who lifted her top at a college football game, or the 16 year old who had consentual intercourse with the 15 year old, or even the guy who got drunk and urinated behind the gas station, although I believe these are the definate minority on this list, I don't believe they pose a public threat and they don't deserve to be forced to wear the scarlet letter.
The second and much bigger problem that I for the life of me can't figure out, is since these people are obviously deemed enough of a threat to society to warrant warning the neighbors about them, why are they still walking free? Maybe we should rethink who gets the extended sentences in this country. It seems pretty simple to me, if they are a threat to society then keep them locked away instead of putting the matter in the hands of the citizens to police themselves. If theyre not deemed a threat to society then they should drop the matter and let the people live their lives. Maybe I'm naive but it seems to me that a major purpose of prisons should be to protect society from those who are deemed a threat to society.
The second and much bigger problem that I for the life of me can't figure out, is since these people are obviously deemed enough of a threat to society to warrant warning the neighbors about them, why are they still walking free? Maybe we should rethink who gets the extended sentences in this country. It seems pretty simple to me, if they are a threat to society then keep them locked away instead of putting the matter in the hands of the citizens to police themselves. If theyre not deemed a threat to society then they should drop the matter and let the people live their lives. Maybe I'm naive but it seems to me that a major purpose of prisons should be to protect society from those who are deemed a threat to society.
lovethesea
Active Member
Originally Posted by SDPetie
what course of action should i take if i find my name on the list?
see my post........
:scared:
what course of action should i take if i find my name on the list?
see my post........
celacanthr
Active Member
Well, I think that it isn't always that these people become this way because of their childhood...
bigarn
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tizzo
I feel bad for the victim. I have no sympathy for them. The fact that they can do that sorta crime and then live as freely as you and I, just makes me mad! It's almost as if there is no real punishment for people like this.
Somebody put the "mad" smiley up for me, it's blocked on my computer.
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I feel bad for the victim. I have no sympathy for them. The fact that they can do that sorta crime and then live as freely as you and I, just makes me mad! It's almost as if there is no real punishment for people like this.
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37g joe
Member
Thier are always exceptions to the rule. But You can always petion a court to have it Differed. I woulrd rather have a few people incovienced than have the whole lot not known by our communities. We make too many excuses for these type of people no mater what your background is and what haoppened to you in the past as sad as it is you have a choice we are not ANIMALS we are able to make rational decisions. Now I do feel thier are a few exceptions to that such as a downsyndome individual but I would say 99% had enough self control to stop but they choose to commit these horrible acts.
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tizzo
Guest
You know this thread brings up a very valid point...
Who cares WHY they did it!! The simple fact THAT they did it is why they should be punished. Oh, their dad did it to them therefore they have an excuse and should be punished less?? I don't buy it. This country is starting to convict the reasons WHY instead of the actual crime!!
It's retarded!! We shouldn't have judges, we should have psychologists sitting on the stand to convict if we wanna start treating the excuses!!
Who cares WHY they did it!! The simple fact THAT they did it is why they should be punished. Oh, their dad did it to them therefore they have an excuse and should be punished less?? I don't buy it. This country is starting to convict the reasons WHY instead of the actual crime!!
It's retarded!! We shouldn't have judges, we should have psychologists sitting on the stand to convict if we wanna start treating the excuses!!
lovethesea
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tizzo
You know this thread brings up a very valid point...
Who cares WHY they did it!! The simple fact THAT they did it is why they should be punished. Oh, their dad did it to them therefore they have an excuse and should be punished less?? I don't buy it. This country is starting to convict the reasons WHY instead of the actual crime!!
It's retarded!! We shouldn't have judges, we should have psychologists sitting on the stand to convict if we wanna start treating the excuses!!
and if you look at the pictures, they are not teenagers. These are adults that know better.
Why else do they do it in secrecy..............they know its WRONG !!
Love (tear them to pieces) thesea :joy:
You know this thread brings up a very valid point...
Who cares WHY they did it!! The simple fact THAT they did it is why they should be punished. Oh, their dad did it to them therefore they have an excuse and should be punished less?? I don't buy it. This country is starting to convict the reasons WHY instead of the actual crime!!
It's retarded!! We shouldn't have judges, we should have psychologists sitting on the stand to convict if we wanna start treating the excuses!!
and if you look at the pictures, they are not teenagers. These are adults that know better.
Why else do they do it in secrecy..............they know its WRONG !!
Love (tear them to pieces) thesea :joy:
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tizzo
Guest
I was watching a special on these types of guys and one of the reasons there is no real penalty for them is because they are somebody's dad, somebody's uncle etc... They think that taking them from their family is more detrimental to everyone involved than just throwing them in jail. Tell me that ain't rich.
Our whole crime "system" just irritates me. I wish there were one set of rules... you do this and that's your punishment...peroid.
Our whole crime "system" just irritates me. I wish there were one set of rules... you do this and that's your punishment...peroid.
darth tang
Active Member
Here is the problem. MOST of society believes that these actions are taught or ingrained from the same treatment done to them at a young age. I am primarily talking about child --- offenders.
I am going to swing the thread a different direction to give my perspective on this.
It is thought or beleived, by many, that a person is just born as a homosexual and can not be changed or have a choice. ( I disagree, as this implies we are animals without intellectual thought capabilities and no control over ourselves, but to each their own). Many of these same people believe child molesters and such can be changed. Now my perception is, if it is probable a person is born gay, wouldn't it make sense you are born with an attraction towards children also? Also implying that this behavior can not be changed?
To many people want it both ways, yet I can't figure out how one is possible but the other isn't.
If society deams sexual preferance as uncontrollable, we should lock these child molesters up permanently as they are detrimental to society. If sexual preference is a choice according to society, then we should try to help them. It can not be both ways....one way or the other. It is a black and white issue with no room for gray as far as I am concerned.
I am going to swing the thread a different direction to give my perspective on this.
It is thought or beleived, by many, that a person is just born as a homosexual and can not be changed or have a choice. ( I disagree, as this implies we are animals without intellectual thought capabilities and no control over ourselves, but to each their own). Many of these same people believe child molesters and such can be changed. Now my perception is, if it is probable a person is born gay, wouldn't it make sense you are born with an attraction towards children also? Also implying that this behavior can not be changed?
To many people want it both ways, yet I can't figure out how one is possible but the other isn't.
If society deams sexual preferance as uncontrollable, we should lock these child molesters up permanently as they are detrimental to society. If sexual preference is a choice according to society, then we should try to help them. It can not be both ways....one way or the other. It is a black and white issue with no room for gray as far as I am concerned.
celacanthr
Active Member
Then are you saying that you could choose to be gay?
lovethesea
Active Member
families need to have them removed, generally they are the ones being harmed. ie niece, nephew, cousin, brother, sister. etc. It is learned behavior IMO.
Sad story:
a boy in JR. high was just caught molesting the children that his mom was babysitting.
He has been doing it for about 3 years apparently. Laster came out that his Uncle did it to him......... :scared: They are both being punished, but the kid's record will go away at 18.
Will he continue.... ????? And the children??????
Sad story:
a boy in JR. high was just caught molesting the children that his mom was babysitting.
He has been doing it for about 3 years apparently. Laster came out that his Uncle did it to him......... :scared: They are both being punished, but the kid's record will go away at 18.
Will he continue.... ????? And the children??????
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tizzo
Guest
If it is a sexual preference (and not a behavior you are born with) then that means you put your own wants above the law, and above the feelings and consideration of others. That is beyond "help" that's reason for downright punishment, IMO. Help would be OK to offer a man who admits he has these feelings, but realizes they are not only illegal, but wrong! Then he should get help, and he should get it with no critism, but to wait until after the fact, after he has hurt a countless number of people, and only AFTER he gets caught, is he willing to say "his dad did it to him", I think is a poor excuse that we as a society get suckered into believing.
I mean, I like diamonds, and to say my mom always had them, and she taught me that as a woman, they are a necessity, so that's why I stole them... I do not think help should be offered. I honestly think that in todays day and age, with issues such as these, help is available and EVERYBODY knows it's available BEFORE they go ahead and commit the crime.
Now if your born with the urge, which, I agree with you Darth, but if it IS possible and you are born with it, then again I think you know you need help before you actually do it. I think if you have enough sense to try to hide the crime, then you have enough sense to try to find help and if you choose not to then I think society has no need for you and prison would be a nice home.
That'd be my opinion though.
I do have a family friend, who I grew up with and my family trusted him completely, and he has never laid a hand on any of us kids. Then years later, he messed up with a child, just once, got caught, and is currently in prison for 18 years. I love the man, he is still a family friend, I let the justice system judge him, but even though he has never laid a hand on me or my cousins, I still will not leave my daughter alone with him. I honestly do not think he will ever do it again, but the risk is to big to chance. Because of the same risk, I think whoever lives around him has a right to know, not that he's DONE it, but that he's capable of DOING it. Changed or not, people have a right to know what their neighbors are capable of when it involves something as irreplacable as your child's innocence.
I mean, I like diamonds, and to say my mom always had them, and she taught me that as a woman, they are a necessity, so that's why I stole them... I do not think help should be offered. I honestly think that in todays day and age, with issues such as these, help is available and EVERYBODY knows it's available BEFORE they go ahead and commit the crime.
Now if your born with the urge, which, I agree with you Darth, but if it IS possible and you are born with it, then again I think you know you need help before you actually do it. I think if you have enough sense to try to hide the crime, then you have enough sense to try to find help and if you choose not to then I think society has no need for you and prison would be a nice home.
That'd be my opinion though.
I do have a family friend, who I grew up with and my family trusted him completely, and he has never laid a hand on any of us kids. Then years later, he messed up with a child, just once, got caught, and is currently in prison for 18 years. I love the man, he is still a family friend, I let the justice system judge him, but even though he has never laid a hand on me or my cousins, I still will not leave my daughter alone with him. I honestly do not think he will ever do it again, but the risk is to big to chance. Because of the same risk, I think whoever lives around him has a right to know, not that he's DONE it, but that he's capable of DOING it. Changed or not, people have a right to know what their neighbors are capable of when it involves something as irreplacable as your child's innocence.