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stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2759707
bank bail outs and mortage collapse... and yes Enron and GOP are tight
Hey check out who Obama's economic advisors are... One of the dudes, was the CEO of one of them fanny or freddy I don't remember, he was forced to resign, after getting paid 100 mil over around 6 years. That is the person I want having the presidents ear...
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2759773
If Enron and the GOP are so tight why did a democrat president create the Enron loophole.
I guess I just don't understand the argument. Obviously he thinks this is some sort of Ace in the deck. But I'm not sure what it implies. If you worked in the oil business in houston, and didn't have dealing with enron. Especially working for a company like halliburton as cheney did. IMO the oil company is very relationship based in its marketing.
But this is just typicial lib drivel. Make some vague claim, don't back it up, don't explain how. Just say it.
 

acrylics

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2758364
The problem with the morgage industry is that freddy and fanny removed risk, so people could act irresponsibily. Brokers lent money, and sold the more risky loans to freddy and fanny then they turned around and sold securities of these junk loans. The whole problem is these government created entities removed the risk in approving loan since they knew that freddy and fanny would buy the junk morgages. So they approved everyone. It is that simple.
If the morgage industry had not had these quazi-government agencies removing the majority of the risk from morgage lending we would not be in the situation we are now. Because these junk morgages would have NEVER BEEN APPROVED.
To say that lack of "oversite" caused these problems just shows ignorance.
There were a more factors than just what's above though. Clinton's '95 revisions to the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) allowed/forced many lenders to make loans to low income families, loans that would never have been approved. This also led to more upscale folks being able to buy more home than they could afford by conventional means and more creative lending practices which allowed loans to be approved which simply should not have been. A democrat congress was in session in '94 when this was written, the republicans didn't have a majority until they took office in January, '95 and the revisions took effect at that time as well.
But it wasn't all Clinton's or democrat's fault per se, part of the issue IMO stems from the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act which repealed much of the Class-Steagall Act which kept commercial banks and investment banks. The passing of the Gramm, Leach, & Bliley Act essentially led to deregulation of commercial & investment banks and allowed banks to bundle these securities (sub-prime mortgages) together which leads us to where we are now. FWIW, the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act was in '99, Clinton signed it but the bill was veto-proof from a republican majority in both houses. That said, the bill passed by a HUGE margin in both houses so was bipartisan in it's final version.
So, IMO both parties carry some responsibility to a certain extent but if folks simply would not have bought more house than they could afford - this might not have happened.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by acrylics
http:///forum/post/2760548
There were a more factors than just what's above though. Clinton's '95 revisions to the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) allowed/forced many lenders to make loans to low income families, loans that would never have been approved. This also led to more upscale folks being able to buy more home than they could afford by conventional means and more creative lending practices which allowed loans to be approved which simply should not have been. A democrat congress was in session in '94 when this was written, the republicans didn't have a majority until they took office in January, '95 and the revisions took effect at that time as well.
But it wasn't all Clinton's or democrat's fault per se, part of the issue IMO stems from the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act which repealed much of the Class-Steagall Act which kept commercial banks and investment banks. The passing of the Gramm, Leach, & Bliley Act essentially led to deregulation of commercial & investment banks and allowed banks to bundle these securities (sub-prime mortgages) together which leads us to where we are now. FWIW, the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act was in '99, Clinton signed it but the bill was veto-proof from a republican majority in both houses. That said, the bill passed by a HUGE margin in both houses so was bipartisan in it's final version.
So, IMO both parties carry some responsibility to a certain extent but if folks simply would not have bought more house than they could afford - this might not have happened.

I agree this bill was crucial, but imo, in an of itself there is nothing wrong in bunding these securities together, if the loans itself were propperly vetted, and these morgage lenders were responsible, in lending money instead of lending to high risk people then turning around and selling them to fanny and freddy. Which they didn't because of very little risk to that point. They knew they could lend the money, and turn around and sell it to the government.
As for the securities, I don't have a problem with the concept because they actually have a more stable value backing them. Your home. VS stay a .com company. Where the stocks were selling for some rediculous amount, and they were nothing more than a warehouse and a network of servers. (but that isn't my area of expertise) Just my opinion as an uneducated observer.
 

nano reefer

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What most economists are saying is that this will be as low as it will get. however i think if a few more hotshot companies go, then people will start selling what they have. unlike the stock market crash, people are still holding their shares. I think if 3 more Dow Jones companies go down, we may have the start of The Great Depression 2. I mean, the entire banking system is designed for the banks to win, and the public to lose. there are atleast 4 middlemen in mortgages, so the american public is taking a huge beating, and if they get uncomfortable, the american public shareholders will start dumping what they have.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Nano Reefer
http:///forum/post/2761462
What most economists are saying is that this will be as low as it will get. however i think if a few more hotshot companies go, then people will start selling what they have. unlike the stock market crash, people are still holding their shares. I think if 3 more Dow Jones companies go down, we may have the start of The Great Depression 2. I mean, the entire banking system is designed for the banks to win, and the public to lose. there are atleast 4 middlemen in mortgages, so the american public is taking a huge beating, and if they get uncomfortable, the american public shareholders will start dumping what they have.
I do hope so, I'll get rich.
 
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