I'm confused (political thought)

mimzy

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well. the dems in congress all VOTED for the war. what they SAY is one thing, what they DO is another. apparently.
kinda like the republicans.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2725941
well. the dems in congress all VOTED for the war. what they SAY is one thing, what they DO is another. apparently.
kinda like the republicans.
That is true, they were all fooled by Bush's evil plan to start a war...
 

crimzy

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Yeah... I also heard that Obama once studdered during a speech. That may make an interesting thread too.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2725963

Yeah... I also heard that Obama once studdered during a speech. That may make an interesting thread too.

Go watch those turkeys, McCain did ok sorta but if bush's speaking skills drove you nuts then obama...
 

pontius

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it should be noted on that point that Obama was NOT in the US Senate at the time that the war started. so he can run around and say how he was against the war, which he was. but if he had actually been in the Senate, would he have gone against his party? his voting record indicates that he probably would not have.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2726215
it should be noted on that point that Obama was NOT in the US Senate at the time that the war started. so he can run around and say how he was against the war, which he was. but if he had actually been in the Senate, would he have gone against his party? his voting record indicates that he probably would not have.
I disagree, his choice to oppose the war at that time had bigger consequences to his political career because he was on the verge of running for the U.S Senate.... at the time we were very pro-war
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2726229
I disagree, his choice to oppose the war at that time had bigger consequences to his political career because he was on the verge of running for the U.S Senate.... at the time we were very pro-war
point of clarification, was he refering to his run in the state senate? Or the US Senate?
 

pontius

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2726229
I disagree, his choice to oppose the war at that time had bigger consequences to his political career because he was on the verge of running for the U.S Senate.... at the time we were very pro-war
what can you point to as proof that he would have gone against the Dem party re: Iraq if he had actually been in the US Senate at the time? because you can go on the website for (I believe) the Washington Post and it will tell you how all federal politicians have voted during their time in office. and if I'm not mistaken, Obama has voted with the Democrats around 91% of the time.
my point is this: it's easy to say what you would've done when you weren't even in a federal office at the time. but when you're actually IN office and most of your party is leaning one way, and you have a history of voting with your party, I think the chances are you go a different way than what you'd be saying otherwise. so, imo, his statements about opposing the war are non-points. sure, he's been vocal about being against the war since he's been in the US Senate, but that's been since public and political attention have turned against it. then, he goes on to say that he still would've voted against the troop surge though readily admitting that the surge has worked. which, imo, is completely moronic.
and if you think his being against the war was "a greater purpose" than his political aspirations, then I think you know absolutely nothing about your candidate. I just got done what a biography on him, he's been politically driven since pretty much his high school days. It was also interesting to learn how he drove his Republican Senate candidate, Jack Ryan, from the race by threatening to bring Ryan's wife's extra-marital affairs to the public. NOT Ryan, but Ryan's WIFE. pretty interesting considering Obama doesn't want his wife attacked in the media.
 

johnbob

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2726834
what can you point to as proof that he would have gone against the Dem party re: Iraq if he had actually been in the US Senate at the time? because you can go on the website for (I believe) the Washington Post and it will tell you how all federal politicians have voted during their time in office. and if I'm not mistaken, Obama has voted with the Democrats around 91% of the time.
my point is this: it's easy to say what you would've done when you weren't even in a federal office at the time. but when you're actually IN office and most of your party is leaning one way, and you have a history of voting with your party, I think the chances are you go a different way than what you'd be saying otherwise. so, imo, his statements about opposing the war are non-points. sure, he's been vocal about being against the war since he's been in the US Senate, but that's been since public and political attention have turned against it. then, he goes on to say that he still would've voted against the troop surge though readily admitting that the surge has worked. which, imo, is completely moronic.
and if you think his being against the war was "a greater purpose" than his political aspirations, then I think you know absolutely nothing about your candidate. I just got done what a biography on him, he's been politically driven since pretty much his high school days. It was also interesting to learn how he drove his Republican Senate candidate, Jack Ryan, from the race by threatening to bring Ryan's wife's extra-marital affairs to the public. NOT Ryan, but Ryan's WIFE. pretty interesting considering Obama doesn't want his wife attacked in the media
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Do you have proof of this that you can link us to? I swear all this political crap in the aquarium is sickening, everyday there is a new thread made by obama haters. Who cares?
You guys are like little kids, everytime you see something negative about Obama you run and post it here as if to say "Ooooo, Ooooo, Ooooo, look at what Obama did now".
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2726834
what can you point to as proof that he would have gone against the Dem party re: Iraq if he had actually been in the US Senate at the time? because you can go on the website for (I believe) the Washington Post and it will tell you how all federal politicians have voted during their time in office. and if I'm not mistaken, Obama has voted with the Democrats around 91% of the time.
my point is this: it's easy to say what you would've done when you weren't even in a federal office at the time. but when you're actually IN office and most of your party is leaning one way, and you have a history of voting with your party, I think the chances are you go a different way than what you'd be saying otherwise. so, imo, his statements about opposing the war are non-points. sure, he's been vocal about being against the war since he's been in the US Senate, but that's been since public and political attention have turned against it. then, he goes on to say that he still would've voted against the troop surge though readily admitting that the surge has worked. which, imo, is completely moronic.
and if you think his being against the war was "a greater purpose" than his political aspirations, then I think you know absolutely nothing about your candidate. I just got done what a biography on him, he's been politically driven since pretty much his high school days. It was also interesting to learn how he drove his Republican Senate candidate, Jack Ryan, from the race by threatening to bring Ryan's wife's extra-marital affairs to the public. NOT Ryan, but Ryan's WIFE. pretty interesting considering Obama doesn't want his wife attacked in the media.

How about how Obus won his first election. Challenge the petition signitures on all his opponents and get their names thrown off the ballot on technicalities for the most part.
 

pontius

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Originally Posted by Johnbob
http:///forum/post/2726858
Do you have proof of this that you can link us to? I swear all this political crap in the aquarium is sickening, everyday there is a new thread made by obama haters. Who cares?
You guys are like little kids, everytime you see something negative about Obama you run and post it here as if to say "Ooooo, Ooooo, Ooooo, look at what Obama did now".
let's compare maturity levels here...........
I click on a thread that has "political" in the title and write something political.
YOU click on a thread that has "political" in the title and write about how you hate political threads.
now, go start a poll with those 2 statements as the choices and ask voters to vote which one is more rational and mature.
now, as to your question.....I can't link a television program. I just watched it. I'm sure you can use this here internet to look up the 2004 Senate race. but be careful, it's political so your face might melt.
 

pontius

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2726863
How about how Obus won his first election. Challenge the petition signitures on all his opponents and get their names thrown off the ballot on technicalities for the most part.
very true. and wasn't one of them the incumbent who had been in office for many years? seems to be a pretty sleazy guy, politically.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Johnbob
http:///forum/post/2726858
Do you have proof of this that you can link us to? I swear all this political crap in the aquarium is sickening, everyday there is a new thread made by obama haters. Who cares?
You guys are like little kids, everytime you see something negative about Obama you run and post it here as if to say "Ooooo, Ooooo, Ooooo, look at what Obama did now".

There is a difference between posting factual information, and opinions derived from those facts, than say, "bush wants to destroy reefs"
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2726906
very true. and wasn't one of them the incumbent who had been in office for many years? seems to be a pretty sleazy guy, politically.
It was a great cutthroat pilitical move. Pretty typical of harball CHicago politics. Hardly the thing hope and change is made of though.
 
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