Im only 13 help!

[aquasafe]

Here is A list of things I want in my 50 gallon tank.I think it's perefect, but I NEED A second

opion.
Lettuce Nudibranch (Sea Slug) 2-Limit $4.99 Each Eats Algae
Sand Sifting Cucumber-$7.99-
Shrimpgoby-Blue Speckled-$12.99 Eats Pellet,Brine
Pixy Hawkfish-$12.99-Pellet,Brine,Flake Monitor With Shrimp
Valentini Puffer-$16.99-Pellet,Meaty-Monitor With Shrimp
Snowflake Eel-$19.99-Silver Sids,Mysid,Meaty
Domino Damsels-$5.99-Pellet,Flake
Lawnmower Blenny-$9.00-Algae
Pink Tip Haitian Anemone-$9.99 Meaty Foods And Strong Sunlight
Turbo/Astrea Snail-$9.99-Group Of 10-Algae
Nassarius Snail -$9.99-Group Of 10-Detritus(Organic Waste Material Decomposing Plant Or Animal)
Duster Cluster-$14.99-Phytoplankton
Orange Fan Sponge-$19.99
Fromia Starfish-$22.99
Mushroom Polyp/Green Ricordia-$7.99-Medium Light-Medium Flow
Mushroom Polyp/Umbrella$7.99-Medium/Strong Light,Medium Flow
Nature's Ocean Live Sand-40LB-$54.99
Marine Snow-$10.99-2 Orders
Kent Platium Reef Herbivore-$12.99-2 Orders
NOT From Saltwaterfish.com
Sun Coral
Spanish Shawl Nudibranch (Sea Slug)
Mandarin Goby

 

[aquasafe]

O and I forgot something.... What is A sump and do I need one?Im gonna get A reef tank

.

 

[aquasafe]

I'll be back sometime.

 

[snowboard]

how much live rock are you getting? Mandarin Gobys need alot of live rock in a well esablished tank because most of them only eat pods that live and reproduce in live rock

 

[team2jndd]

forget the madarin and nudibranches. I would also skip the hatian until your tank is established. Fromia needs a larger tank.

 

[miaheatlvr]

If your 13 and this is your first tank! I would go slow I know you can get very very anxious, Why not just start out with the, tank lighting, water, live sand, live rock, filtration and damsels? See how it goes! I would recommend a sump/refugium combo, for added water volume and bio and filtration reasons..

 

[aquasafe]

Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
If your 13 and this is your first tank! I would go slow I know you can get very very anxious, Why not just start out with the, tank lighting, water, live sand, live rock, filtration and damsels? See how it goes! I would recommend a sump/refugium combo, for added water volume and bio and filtration reasons..
This is NOT my first tank the tank I have now is A 29 gallon.

Im gonna have about 2 orders of live rock.And yes I know about the pods but what I dont know is how to make them grow in the live rock can anyone help me? :help:

 

[fishieness]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
forget the madarin and nudibranches. I would also skip the hatian until your tank is established. Fromia needs a larger tank.
i agree on all of those. you can get a mandarin eventualy if you have a lot of lr (close to 100 pounds). to have pods grow, all you need is time and availible nutrients (withOUT screwing up your levels)
but formia stars are likely to starve to death from lack of food without tons of lr
and nudibranches will probalby just get caught in your powerheads and die. and depending on the types you get, could wipe out your entire tank once they die.
your cucumber can also starve to death in a tank that size. There isnt too much surface area of sand for it to feed on
id skip the shrimp goby if you are planning on getting a snowflake. some are perfectly fine in comunity tanks, those most will eat whatever they can fit in their mouth.
and domino damsels get pretty agressive and have bullying tendencccies. plus they get a heck of a lot bigger than most people think. like 5-6 inches form what i have seen.
skip the marine snow. it is phytoplankton, and nothing on yoru list can even eat it
i think if you skip the fish i recomended not getting above, that iwll be a good sized stock list. jsut the lawnmower, snowflake, hawkfish, and valentini
but this is all JMO
what else are you doing for equiptment?
lighting?
protein skimmer?
other ifltration?
PS: i just saw your second post. you are going to want to revise your fish list even further. most valentinis will pick at and eat corals. however not all, but many will
and large snowflakes will produce a lot of waste that your corals will not like at all
and i would also wait a while before getting corals. let everything cycle and establish for a few months. and keep in mind to go slow
welcome to the world of reefing

 

[imurnamine]

...Can't a snowflake eel eat Damsels...?

 

[aquasafe]

Originally Posted by ImUrNamine
...Can't a snowflake eel eat Damsels...?
What I have read no they cant they are to aggresive.

 

[aquasafe]

Originally Posted by fishieness
i agree on all of those. you can get a mandarin eventualy if you have a lot of lr (close to 100 pounds). to have pods grow, all you need is time and availible nutrients (withOUT screwing up your levels)
but formia stars are likely to starve to death from lack of food without tons of lr
and nudibranches will probalby just get caught in your powerheads and die. and depending on the types you get, could wipe out your entire tank once they die.
your cucumber can also starve to death in a tank that size. There isnt too much surface area of sand for it to feed on
id skip the shrimp goby if you are planning on getting a snowflake. some are perfectly fine in comunity tanks, those most will eat whatever they can fit in their mouth.
and domino damsels get pretty agressive and have bullying tendencccies. plus they get a heck of a lot bigger than most people think. like 5-6 inches form what i have seen.
skip the marine snow. it is phytoplankton, and nothing on yoru list can even eat it
i think if you skip the fish i recomended not getting above, that iwll be a good sized stock list. jsut the lawnmower, snowflake, hawkfish, and valentini
but this is all JMO
what else are you doing for equiptment?
lighting?
protein skimmer?
other ifltration?
PS: i just saw your second post. you are going to want to revise your fish list even further. most valentinis will pick at and eat corals. however not all, but many will
and large snowflakes will produce a lot of waste that your corals will not like at all
and i would also wait a while before getting corals. let everything cycle and establish for a few months. and keep in mind to go slow
welcome to the world of reefing

Of course I know to wait about the corals.Im getting the Marine Snow because Sun Coral need direct food intake.Now about the algae eaters I can feed them algae strips and the valentini I am A little worried about because of the snails.Sorry I forgot to remove the domino an the starfish, but what I am most worried about is the pods and yes I am still getting A mandarin goby.It is hard but there is A place near me that dosent feed there mandarin pods and im gonna see what they feed it in the morning, and if they feed it pods then I guess I better start saveing up noney for that live rock lol

.I'll have to get back to you about the equipment.

 

[aquasafe]

Originally Posted by Aquasafe
Of course I know to wait about the corals.Im getting the Marine Snow because Sun Coral need direct food intake.Now about the algae eaters I can feed them algae strips and the valentini I am A little worried about because of the snails.Sorry I forgot to remove the domino an the starfish, but what I am most worried about is the pods and yes I am still getting A mandarin goby.It is hard but there is A place near me that dosent feed there mandarin pods and im gonna see what they feed it in the morning, and if they feed it pods then I guess I better start saveing up noney for that live rock lol

.I'll have to get back to you about the equipment.
O and about the pods I heard I can buy them alive. :happyfish

 

[fishieness]

Originally Posted by Aquasafe
O and about the pods I heard I can buy them alive. :happyfish
you can buy them live. but everywhere i have seen it online is like 7 bucks for 100 without shipping. youll be spending like 30 bucks a week on pods if you dont have a stable population
and i figured you would know about waiting for corals, but i jstu threw that in there anyways
and as far as the marine snow, your sun coral cannot injest it either. phytoplankton is too small. sun corals need at least zoo plankton (copepods, ect) and also finely chopped seafoods such as squid, mysys, krill, or silversides.
and snowflakes definatly can eat damsels, but once again, as long as they arae small enough to fit in it's mouth
my LFSs dont feed their mandarins pods either, which is why they are all so skinny and most die. very very very few will eat prepared foods such as frozen mysis so you should not rely on this. if you want to find one that does, check the LFSs and MAKE SURE it is eating prepared foods. in other words, make them feed it and make sure it is activly eating. many will nip at a frozen blood worm or brine shrimp, but very very few will actualy consume enough to survive happily. you can feed them live brine or black worms, but both of these (esspecialy brine) are pretty much wothless. they arent very nutritious at all, and even with the supplimentation of vitamins such as zoe and selecon, they usualy dont get all the vitamins taht they need and could die prematurly.
so either gettign one that will activly eat prepared foods or getting a lot of lr is, IMO, the only viable options. to buy LR cheap you should search your local reef clubs. I often see people selling rock for at or even under 2 bucks a pound. i bought 27 pounds from a guy for 40 bucks. and the president of our club took down his frag tank. he gave me about 20-25 pounds and TONS of corals, xenia, montiporas, zoos, mushrooms, leathers, ect, all for free. ive also found some realy realy good equiptment deals. so i would try searching around there.
sorry for all the rambling, im jsut trying to get down most of what i can tell you to help you out and say all i wish i knew when i started my reef. lol
PS: i wish i started when i was 13

 

[aquasafe]

Originally Posted by fishieness
you can buy them live. but everywhere i have seen it online is like 7 bucks for 100 without shipping. youll be spending like 30 bucks a week on pods if you dont have a stable population
and i figured you would know about waiting for corals, but i jstu threw that in there anyways
and as far as the marine snow, your sun coral cannot injest it either. phytoplankton is too small. sun corals need at least zoo plankton (copepods, ect) and also finely chopped seafoods such as squid, mysys, krill, or silversides.
and snowflakes definatly can eat damsels, but once again, as long as they arae small enough to fit in it's mouth
my LFSs dont feed their mandarins pods either, which is why they are all so skinny and most die. very very very few will eat prepared foods such as frozen mysis so you should not rely on this. if you want to find one that does, check the LFSs and MAKE SURE it is eating prepared foods. in other words, make them feed it and make sure it is activly eating. many will nip at a frozen blood worm or brine shrimp, but very very few will actualy consume enough to survive happily. you can feed them live brine or black worms, but both of these (esspecialy brine) are pretty much wothless. they arent very nutritious at all, and even with the supplimentation of vitamins such as zoe and selecon, they usualy dont get all the vitamins taht they need and could die prematurly.
so either gettign one that will activly eat prepared foods or getting a lot of lr is, IMO, the only viable options. to buy LR cheap you should search your local reef clubs. I often see people selling rock for at or even under 2 bucks a pound. i bought 27 pounds from a guy for 40 bucks. and the president of our club took down his frag tank. he gave me about 20-25 pounds and TONS of corals, xenia, montiporas, zoos, mushrooms, leathers, ect, all for free. ive also found some realy realy good equiptment deals. so i would try searching around there.
sorry for all the rambling, im jsut trying to get down most of what i can tell you to help you out and say all i wish i knew when i started my reef. lol
PS: i wish i started when i was 13

There is no way im gonna buy pods.

Like I said befor im gonna see what the petstore feeds there Mandarin Goby in the morning.O and congrats on the live rock,coral,etc.Im still A starter im just gathering info so my fish,coral,inverts,etc. WONT die lol.You know A LOT about

saltwater reefs.

 

[matt819]

Like I said in your first post: if you want corals and anemones...you need not have messy fish like lions and puffers. It's probable that it will NOT work out, especially in a new tank. No starfish either, not enough rock/big enough of a tank for it. Let's see...you'll probably need more LR than you think, and a beefier clean up crew instead of a small amt of LR and small clean up crew, and a bunch of messy fish. Go slow, start with lots of rock, rock, rock, and a couple easy fish and then maybe some shrooms and stuff after they do good for a while. Then months down the road after that, maybe think about anemones. Then after you get a fuge going good, maybe you'll have enough of a pod population and you'll be able to have a mandarin?!
Patience-
I know it's hard,
but PATIENCE is #1. Good luck.

 

[fishygurl]

looks good to me but im not sure what all that stuff is i know that the nudibranchs will eat and eat but then they will supposively die. And as far as the Mandarin Dragonet you can give them tigger pods and it will do fine but you should have like around 50 pounds anyway. Im 13 too!

 

[fishieness]

woops, before i had said that nothing you had would eat marine snow. but i fogot to looka t the inverts. your feather dusters as well as the spounges will feed on phytoplankton. depending on your tank set up, you may have enough to naturaly feed the featherudsters, but probably not the spounge by itself.
but if you are going to get phyto, i would recomend DTs phytoplankton. it is live and more nutritious.

 

[aquasafe]

Originally Posted by fishieness
woops, before i had said that nothing you had would eat marine snow. but i fogot to looka t the inverts. your feather dusters as well as the spounges will feed on phytoplankton. depending on your tank set up, you may have enough to naturaly feed the featherudsters, but probably not the spounge by itself.
but if you are going to get phyto, i would recomend DTs phytoplankton. it is live and more nutritious.
What would I have naturaly to feed the dusters?Dts phytoplankton?What is that?Can you give me the food name like Marine Snow?

 

[fishieness]

DTs phytoplankton is a brand name. you might be able to find it at a LFS. only one or two around me sells it that i know of. DTs is the actual brand name, they also sell things like oyster eggs which are a larger food mainly for sps corals
phytoplankton is naturaly found in your tank, just as it is naturaly found in the ocean. it is jsut it isnt found in great amounts, which is why larger feather dusters and larger spounges could die, esspecialy in low nutrient/well skimmed tanks.