Is it ICK?

[wrassecal]

I love PBT's. One of the things I'm doing over the holiday is setting up my quarentine tank to be hospitable to fish for a month. I am on the list at my favorite lfs for the next "harem" of lyretail anthias. Once I get them through qt the next thing on my list is a PBT or another sailfin. Then my 135 will be fully stocked again. If I get a PBT I will definately be staring at it every day with the magnifying glass on the look-out for "bumps".
OT: The way you have your occupation listed it looks interesting. What is it you do?
Here is a pic of my beautiful PBT that almost wiped out my tank last year due to my ignorance...

 

[madison]

Wrassecal ~ I wish you the best!
OT? I assume you meant me? I assess a company by being their employee and decided and propose a more effecient way and a more cost effective way to do business. I sometimes have to stay under for months at a time...really feel bad when I get attached to the "personal" side of the employees...

 

[wrassecal]

Nice avatar, Madison
I notice you live in OC. My brother lives in Lake Forrest. I love it out there, only 15 minutes from his house to my favorite cove at Laguna. There are some amazing tide pools there.

 

[madison]

Lake Forest...now that's a beautiful city...there is only and handful of LFS by LF...but most impressive is still Golden Ina...they are a distributor over the net...once every quarter they open to the public...pretty good prices.

 

[shawnts106]

Personally I believe this WHOLE THREAD TO BE SCREWED UP!!!!.... I will tell you this, I have talked with Marine Scientists and Biologists about this ICH problem... And Ill say this, first off NEVER lower the Salinity... keep it at a 1.025 range, this is the natural salt level in the ocean, and a fish is NEVER exposed to such a low salt level in its life!... Doing this decreases the fishes Longitivity..... second this is what you should have done....
1) caught the fish
2) acclimated him to the QT over a course of an hour to 3 hours... depending on when the salinity in the tank matched the salinity in the bucket you put him in!... then check the Ph, and Temp.... these 3 things must be the exact same inorder to NOT stress the fish out!
3) once acclimated dip the fish out and put him in the QT tank WITH THE LIGHTS OFF, this lowers the stress level even more which is CRUCIAL to the survival of this fish, keep in mind hes coverd in itchy scratchy paracites and he is being taking out of the water, or as we would refer to it, NOT HAVING ANY AIR TO BREATHE!!!
4) once he is in there keep the lights off for about 1 hour, then turn them on and make sure hes not belly up! Also, make sure you have an Air Pump in there and good circulation, this is VITAL for the health of the fish, because he is so large you would need to have ALOT of disolved O2 in the water for him!
5) You may now TREAT him using (my favorite product)
"QUICK CURE" this is a GREAT product... it ussually cures ich in 2 days... however you will need to treat him for 1 week or more! the dirrections say 1 drop per gallon daily... and remove all carbon from the filtration system... you still want a sponge or something in there to catch large partical matter!
6) feed him 2 to 3 times a day, small amounts, no more than he can eat in 2 to 3 mins.!!!
7) after about 5 days to 2 weeks, depending on how well you want to make sure he is treated... I would recommend only 1 week (7 days ... duhLOL) on this product, and because he is in such a small area, he will begin to stress more and more and eventually die because he cannot swim and exercise, tangs are EXTREMLY energetic fish which need TONS of swimming space!
8)then with the Salinity in the QT and the DT the same you may acclimate him back into your DT... by the same way, using the ACCLIMATION PROCEDURE on this site.... this I feel is the MOST RELIABLE WAY to acclimate a fish into its new surroundings without stressing him...
9) continue to monitor the fish and make sure hes eatting well... if not try appitite increasing products such as Garlic Gaurd... etc....
I am COMPLETLY UTTERLY AND MOST DEFFINATLY against a fresh water dip, these cause brain damage and can leed to organ fialler! They do remove ich, but with little to NO success, even if ONE tiny parasite is still on the fish or under the skin, he will become reinfected....
NEVER EVER BY ANY MEANS lower the salinity in which a fish or coral is located.. this is NOT natural and by all means harmful to the fish or invert... but since we are talking about ich we will stick to FISH!
Ich is a very bad paracite, and should be treated as so, the FISH shouldnt be treated the same way, putting a SALTWATER fish in freshwater is torcher... its like being put in Hydrocloric Acid to us!... its BAD! So never do that!
Is WONDERFUL that you had a QT up and I reccomend keeping it up and acclimate all new or sick fish the same way mentioned above!
I hope this helps with the next time you have a Ich problem... I know they are horid things!!!
Remember to use QUICK CURE... this product I FEEL is the best at killing ICH... also, it does cause cancer in HUMANS so be sure to use gloves when using this product... it doesnt cause cancer in fish, THAT I KNOW OF...
Hope this helped once again!
sorry about your loss, next time you will be prepared eh? haha
Sorry once again, good luck fish keeping!

 

[wrassecal]

shawnts106 - Personally you believe this WHOLE THREAD TO BE SCREWED UP!!!!.... I believe most of your reply to be screwed up.1. If you actually read it, you would have read that Beth warned Madison the FW dip was the wrong thing to do.
2. first off NEVER lower the Salinity... keep it at a 1.025 range, this is the natural salt level in the ocean, and a fish is NEVER exposed to such a low salt level in its life!... Really, how many fish are exposed to malachite green and formalin, the ingredients in Quick Cure???
3. once he is in there keep the lights off for about 1 hour, then turn them on and make sure hes not belly up! Is that supposed to be funny or just a remark made from ignorance?
4.after about 5 days to 2 weeks, depending on how well you want to make sure he is treated... I would recommend only 1 week (7 days ... duhLOL) on this product, and because he is in such a small area, he will begin to stress more and more and eventually die because he cannot swim and exercise, tangs are EXTREMLY energetic fish which need TONS of swimming space!
what is this supposed to mean? that he may or may not die from stress or the illness somewhere in the timeframe of 5 days to 2 weeks. You recommend 7 days duhLOL?
5.NEVER EVER BY ANY MEANS lower the salinity in which a fish or coral is located.. this is NOT natural and by all means harmful to the fish or invert... but since we are talking about ich we will stick to FISHSince you mention this again, I'll ask again. Are malachite green and formalin natural to fish?
6. Remember to use QUICK CURE... this product I FEEL is the best at killing ICH... also, it does cause cancer in HUMANS so be sure to use gloves when using this product... it doesnt cause cancer in fish, THAT I KNOW OF...
Causes cancer in humans but, not in fish "that you know of" ???
So you are essentially recommending that this fish should have been treated by an inferred "natural" way by using a product that contains malachite green, formalin, causes cancer in humans and the fish may or may not die in 7 days duhLOL. Surely you are just messin with us and not serious.
Oh geez, just earlier today you weren't even sure what to do about your own fish illnesses...
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/show...hreadid=143742

 

[beth]

Thanks

 

[shawnts106]

One Word.... Flaming!
and also, btw: about the #2 step, um, first off, these chemicals are medicines which are different than that of what the fish has to breath... one is a "cure" and the other is what it MUST have to survive... think before you post something ... "dumb"
to step #3:, yes it was a funny, and no im not ignorant... thank you.
after about 5 days to 2 weeks, depending on how well you want to make sure he is treated... I would recommend only 1 week (7 days ... duhLOL) on this product, and because he is in such a small area, he will begin to stress more and more and eventually die because he cannot swim and exercise, tangs are EXTREMLY energetic fish which need TONS of swimming space!
Notice I said, I would recommend only 1 week... on this product, and because he is in such a small area, he will begin to stress more and more and eventally die... so on and so forth... what I was referring to is: I said only 1 week because a 10 gallon aquarium is quit small... this had nothing to do with the amount of time... just only a week because of he is in such a small area.
to step #5: see first step 2.
So you are essentially recommending that this fish should have been treated by an inferred "natural" way by using a product that contains malachite green, formalin, causes cancer in humans and the fish may or may not die in 7 days duhLOL. Surely you are just messin with us and not serious.
No, I said natural way by not exposing them to fresh water, because once again, they are saltwater creatures, not freshwater creatures
I am not sure it causes cancer in fish because on the bottle it says, warning this product has been known to cause cancer in the state of california.... it says nothing about fish having cancer.. thats why I said I didnt know.
Yes I am serious about this, OH and also
Oh geez, just earlier today you weren't even sure what to do about your own fish illnesses...

If you read the thread you will notice I wasnt referring to ICH I was referring to the Kole Tangs Gills, which WERE inflamed due to lack of O2.... this had nothing to do with Ich.. just gills... do you understand now?
Geez, I wish some people would really think and read before they go and critize another persons method or thoughts of curring fish of medical problems. Please read and ask questions next time, and try not to "jump down someones throat" for their oppion.
Thank you for posting that just in case someone did think of these things.. this helped clear that post up...
Hope this helps everyone to better understand my method...
good luck to all and Merry Christmas