is my water toxic???

reef_dart21

Member
all my parameters are fine nitrate is a little high around 20 but for some reason everytime i stick a tang or a pgmy angel in my tank it dies within 4 days!!! why is that happening? no other fish i had bought died (green chromis, lmb) but only those two species.
 

prk543

Member
I had the same problem a few months ago, I went out and bought a new fish with out testing my water, and my nitrates almost killed the fish before I took it back.
two suggestions to lower your nitrates:
1> Do a series of 20% water changes untill your nitrates read zero, probably over a week or two.
2> Get some Macro algae (ex: cheato) from your LFS. If you have a sump or a fuge you can put the cheato in there, if not put the cheato into your tank. Then do a series of water changes to get the nitrates down to zero.
The only sure way to lower nitrates is to keep up with your water changes, I try to keep my self to a schedule of a small water change once a week, with a larger 20% water change once a month.
As for the Lawnmower Blenny and the green Chromis surviving, if your fish were added before the high nitrates, then the they were in the tank with the steady build up of nitrates, which is why they havn't died. The Second reasion is both the LMB and the Chromis are both hardy fish, which could handle the stress of being put into a tank with higher nitrates. Tangs and angles are more sensitive to water quality, which is why they didn't make it.
Now for the good news. The presence of nitrates is kind of a good thing. That indicates that your ammonia cycle is working properly, and that the bacteria in your tank is breaking down ammonia and giving off nitrates as a byproduct.
-Prk543
 

zman1

Active Member
List all your parameters and Salinity. System Levels
1. Ammonia
2. Nitrite
3. Nitrate

4. Calcium level
5. KH/Alk level
6. Magnesium level
7. Salinity
What type of equipment using for testing
8. pH

readings right before lights come on
readings right before lights go off
9. Test Kits, Monitors,Controllers- Types, age and brand

10. High and low temperatures
 

reef_dart21

Member
........the only thing that is off is my nitrate
i use the master kit slatwater test kit
temp is usually 78 or 80
ph is 8.2-8.1
salinity is 1.025
calcium is 450
amonnia/nitrite is 0
nitrate is 20
dunno magnesium
alk is somehwere aroudmn 240 or somin
i use a refractormeter thign for the slainity/nitrate
now no other fish i stick in their is affected thank you
 

zman1

Active Member
What PPT does your refractormeter read. The S.G. is okay unless it's a hydrometer and they can be way off. Other than that and you have other fish that have survived long term. NO3 at 20 is high but IMO not horrible. Any structure for the fish to hide in and reduce stress? Acclimation process -https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11_03/acclimation.php. I would skip a NASO TANG in a 55 gal though, if that is what died that you list on your profile.
 

reef_dart21

Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2476341
What PPT does your refractormeter read. The S.G. is okay unless it's a hydrometer and they can be way off. Other than that and you have other fish that have survived long term. NO3 at 20 is high but IMO not horrible. Any structure for the fish to hide in and reduce stress? Acclimation process -https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11_03/acclimation.php. I would skip a NASO TANG in a 55 gal though if that is what died that you list on your profile.
well tang was small and i dont feel explaining but my tank has a total of three caverns with tunells in he back that are also big
also i aclimate by floating them in a bag for 3 0mintues than for a total fo 3 hours pour and empty some of the water out (no water goes in my tank)
i had pictures of it they are on a thread My new aquascape ^_^ under the fish photography
 

sk8shorty01

Active Member
I agree that the Naso Tang probably is not the right idea for a 55g as they get quite large. The reason Tangs struggle so much in smaller tanks is because they are open water swimmers and do not have the room to stretch their fins (so to say). They also swim along slowly while they sleep (like a Moorish Idol) and if they have to turn so often then they cannot get the proper rest that they need. I am not saying that you absolutely cannot, and better not buy another tang for that tank, but I would strongly recommend that you do not and I would say to make sure you do research on every new fish you are going to purchase for your tank.
Also, what kind of pigmy angel did you purchase? Just wondering so maybe that could clue someone onto something.
 

reef_dart21

Member
ok i want help but the reason i am not explaining my self about the tang is that all people are gonna do is complain to me about it!!!! i jsut bought a 90 gallon now end of story!!!!! i would jsut really like to know if the nitrates are cuasing the deaths or no NOT TO BE REMPREMANDED
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Reef, what do you want to hear? Do you want us to say that yes, it must have been something wrong in the tank? Sorry, you are witnessing what we have been warning you about since you first asked about tangs in a 55. You were told repeatedly. This is like a kid getting mad at someone who reprimands him for purposely throwing a brick through the window. It is silly. You were told not to and did it anyway. What do you want us to say now? BTW, a 90 gallon is a taller and wider 55 gallon.
 

tangwhispr

Member
Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/2479314
ok i want help but the reason i am not explaining my self about the tang is that all people are gonna do is complain to me about it!!!! i jsut bought a 90 gallon now end of story!!!!! i would jsut really like to know if the nitrates are cuasing the deaths or no NOT TO BE REMPREMANDED
You asked...people told you, and as the last poster mentioned, getting a 90 didn't really gain you any swimming room.
 

sk8shorty01

Active Member
I would also like to add to Sep and TangWhispr's comments that you still havent answered some of the questions that were asked because you are too busy getting upset about the Tang. What kind of pigmy angel did you purchase and was it eating at the LFS? Maybe these answers could help someone to answer your questions. Also, do you know if you have any stray voltage in the tank as both Tangs and Angels are highly intolerable to this? Hope someone can help you.
 

browniebuck

Active Member
Reef_Dart...relax...
the people on here are not trying to reprimand you. They are speaking from experience and research. Before I found this site, I also went through something extremely similar to what you are going through (Naso tang and hippo tang in my 55 both died of similar ailments). I guess I was similar to you also in getting defensive at first, but then I realized that these people were not only looking out for the well being of the fish but also to insure that I didn't waste $$ by buying fish that would not survive in my system.
What the people are saying regarding the 90 gallon tank is also correct...it still only provides 4 feet of swimming space, and most tangs will reach over 1 foot in length as adults. Ideally, tangs should be kept in 6 foot tanks because of their swimming preferences and their large size.
As I always tell my students, everyone makes mistakes, it is my hope that they learn from them!
 

reef_dart21

Member
no i get mad because i ask about whats killing my fish but it always to turn the tang is too big i also said pygmy angels that is what i would like to nko not about the tang
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/2480868
no i get mad because i ask about whats killing my fish but it always to turn the tang is too big i also said pygmy angels that is what i would like to nko not about the tang
Explain what exactly happens to the angels. How many have you tried? What kinds? Were they eating at the lfs? Did they eat for you? How old is your system? Did you ever notice white spots on any fish in the tank? What did they look like when they died? What kind of water flow was in the tank. Also, the tangs in the 55 make a great deal of difference. They can, and will, easily bully a new fish if their surroundings are already cramped. Have you tried one since you removed the tangs?
 
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