Is this necesary for cycling?

daredevil

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Bang Guy posted this in another thread I found and want to know if it is necesary for a tank. Im sure it helps, but I just want to know the difference between this, and just putting in LS and LR with a raw shrimp for it to cycle. Thanks-Anthony
Posted by Bang Guy:

Mix up to 25 gallons of saltwater at a time using filtered water and add to the tank until it's 1/2 full.
Pour in either 1/2" (Shallow bed) or 4" (DSB) of dry aragonite sand and mix it up really good to make sure there are no trapped air bubbles in the sand.
Scoop off the foam on top of the water the next day and start the heater and waterflow. Waterflow should be very turbulent. Don't worry about the sand storm because there's nothing to look at yet anyway.
Add good uncured live base rock. Lay all the rock out on the floor and pull off all visible sponges and anything that looks dead or dying. Do a quick rough estimate of the aquascaping and place the rocks in the general vicinity of where they go. The water will be milky so just make sure the rocks are stable. I like using uncured aquacultured rock because it still has most of its critters alive. Sometimes you can get rock that has been out of the ocean for less than 24 hours. Remove all Mantis Shrimp and Crabs except Porcelain crabs. A seperate species tank can be set up if you want to keep them.
Start up the lights to run 8 hours a day and skimmer running 24/7 once the rock is in the water.
Check the water daily for Ammonia. If Ammonia exceeds 0.5ppm do a 25% water change to try to get it back below 0.5ppm. If Ammonia reaches a really high spike then a 50% change and a dose of AmQuel can be done. The diversity of animals in your live rock is very important to the long term health of your tank. The higher the ammonia level gets the lower the diversity of critters in your live rock.
After several days the sand will begin to settle and you can start working out the final aquascaping. Use a Turkey baster to try to keep as much silt off the rock as you can.
Once Ammonia reaches 0.0ppm I start feeding the tank a very small amount of food. I increase the food dosage a little each day until I'm feeding enough to satisfy a pair of small Clownfish. If Ammonia climbs then feed less or stop feeding. Once Ammonia is at zero I add uncured top rock (the $$ stuff) and stop feeding until the secondary ammonia cycle is finished. Same rules for the top rock as the base rock. Remove dead or dying stuff. This is usually a lot faster. Feed the tank again once Ammonia is back down to zero but don't feed enough to cause Ammonia to accumulate. Then add up to 1/2" of live sand. The more the better but a hand ful will work, just no more than 1/2".
If Ammonia stays at zero for a week or two then I add the Clownfish.
From start to finish this usually takes 4 - 8 weeks.
 

teen

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thats how most people do it i think. i just make the salt water, put it in the tank. add regular sand to my desired depth. add uncured LR and sit back. once the cycle is done i add a cup of LS. watch for a week then add a small clean up crew. then if the clean up crew does good for a week or so, then i add a fish.
 

azfishgal

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Added tap water to tank and ran tank for 24 hours to check for leaks, emptied tank and added my mixed salt water and let my equipment run for another 24 hours. Then I added base rock, dry sand, few days later added live sand, live rock (from SWF). My tank is now toward the end of it's cycle (well not end, but balanced). I did rinse my base rock and dry sand before I put it into my DT, and went over my live rock lightly with a toothbrush. That was about it. Didn't really see any reason to complicate it.
 

daredevil

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oh ok but is it ok to have just a bag of LS in the tank with no other sand or should I mix in some more sand?
 

azfishgal

Active Member
Originally Posted by daredevil
oh ok but is it ok to have just a bag of LS in the tank with no other sand or should I mix in some more sand?
I did 80 lbs of dry sand and 20 lbs of live sand, but I'm sure your ratio can be smaller than that. Like the above post says, a cup of live sand will make the rest of your sand live in time.
Tip: DO wash the dry sand as a lot of trash will come out of it, but DON'T rinse your live sand.
 

bs21

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Originally Posted by daredevil
oh ok but is it ok to have just a bag of LS in the tank with no other sand or should I mix in some more sand?
having all live sand is fine
 

daredevil

Member
ha i just realized i didnt really ask a question. My question is what are the benefits of having just a LS bed, not that deep about 1 inch, or doing say 50/50 LS and Dry Sand. Thanks
 

teen

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no benefits. it will all be the same in a few days anyway. and imo, do at least a 3" sand bed.
 

earlybird

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Originally Posted by teen
no benefits. it will all be the same in a few days anyway. and imo, do at least a 3" sand bed.
I've read posts that say 3" isn't considered a DSB and if not going with a DSB it is best to stay >2" and a DSB of 4" or more. Can you (anyone) explain this? I got the impression that between 2-4" was considered bad but failed to mention why. I'll try to dig up the post(s) but if anyone can give insight it would be appreciated.
 

teen

Active Member
mines 3", and i have no problems. if its deeper, it will take more time to "fill".
 

daredevil

Member
oh ok. Thanks alot guys. I dont have my tank up yet, but I did last year and sadly a hurricane took it away. One day I got back on these forums, and got the itch to start it again. This time around will be much better. Thanks alot for the help- Anthony
 
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