is this true

1990jpyj

Member
i was reading somewhere on the internet that tonga rock can no loner be harvested, and that fiji rock cant be harvasted until January. is any of this true? if so i dont know y. so maybe someone could give me a reason on why this is happening. my LFS just upped there prices because of this almost $1.00 per pound.
thanks
 

paintballer768

Active Member
Yea its true. Tonga branch rock has been overcollected for the time being. I do not know about the fiji but I know that is the case with the Tonga rocks
 

1990jpyj

Member
ok i was wondering. Tonga is just the base rock correct? like the cheap rock that we seed with a piece of Live rock
 

michaeltx

Moderator
no not really.
Tonga is a region like Fiji is a region where the rock was collected. There is Fiji and Tonga base rock same as Somolian and caribean rocks. you can find base rock of all these.
The over harvesting of all the rock has been an issue for some time because of the collectors not collecting it properly damaging the reefs on top of that taking more than whats allowed at a time.
HTH
Mike
 

m0nk

Active Member
You can always supplement live rock with part of it being base rock that will eventually become live. About half the rock in my tank was one dead base rock, and at $1/lb it saved me a ton of money.
 

sharkbait9

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1990jpyj
http:///forum/post/2828580
yep good catch. i couldn't remember the name that the guy told me.
I believe that’s all Walt smith rock is anymore just tuffa rock cultivated n leased part of the ocean floor for like 6 months.
 

texasmetal

Active Member
From Walt Smith:
Dear All,
It is a sorry fact that the import of all CITES related items from Tonga have been banned by the US Fish and Wildlife Services effective immediately. I was in Tonga on the morning I got a call from my customer and told me the news.
Essentially what has happened is that USFWS has been communicating with the Tongan government for the last two years trying to get them to comply with some simple regulations. When the Tongan authorities received these request they put them into the “too hard basket” and basically ignored them. There were several extensions to the deadlines and all went ignored. Unfortunately the Industry was unaware of these request or we could have gotten involved and helped steer it to avoid the consequences we are experiencing now.
The Tongan government has been through a lot of changes since the riots of November 2006 and this could be the reason no one has paid attention. They have had three or four different ministers and a lot of issues other than our export to deal with. In my opinion, this does not get them off the hook but does help to explain the dilemma.
Our industry is the largest export out of Tonga bringing in the much need import dollars since the disaster of 2006 (the entire town burned to the ground) and you would think that the fisheries would do what they could to support it. However, the reason I was in Tonga last week was to meet with the various government heads to establish a reef management plan that they need. There is already a threat to ban the industry from the Tongan side because they are unaware of what we actually do and it is my persistence with the rest of the industry that we become more transparent and establish correct reef management in order for our survival. Now we will have a real battle that the US has taken the first move.
The fact is that I have been there for 19 years and the reefS are in the same condition as when I arrived and this is why I am pushing for a proper scientific study to prove our point. If any of you saw the immense size of the resource compared to what we harvest I am sure you would all agree. It is definitely renewable and sustainable with almost zero impact considering how selective we are and how fast the coral grows that we select for our hobby.
As far as the comments regarding a move to increase prices ….. Get real! We have struggled in Tonga for many years to keep our business alive due to inexperienced competition selling too low and airline prices going through the roof. Most of the money for your products goes to Air New Zealand (over 65%) and then we have overhead and payroll to deal with.
I am now forced to lay off about 80% of my loyal staff who are like family to me and ship only fish. I doubt that I will last long in Tonga shipping only fish.
Sorry to dump on you all but I thought you did deserve the truth in this hobby we all love.
Walt Smith
 

unleashed

Active Member
I'm so glad I held on to all my old LR from former tanks I had set up equaling to about 400lbs of tonga and figi.. I would hate to have to buy more these days
 

mr_x

Active Member
there's plenty of places that are still exporting rock. i wouldn't worry about it. some really nice stuff too.
 

1990jpyj

Member
im not worried i think my lfs is just looking for a reason to bring the price up some. thats some good info though
thanks
 

emilaya101

Member
I think they'll just find another super popular place to get lr soon..... until they mess that up too.... the they'll find another place

I wouldn't worry about it though, my lfs sell some pretty nice lr for only $5 lb
 

mr_x

Active Member
wow..times are tough..what can they be making on that? a dollar fifty a pound? gotta move alot of rock to pay that rent!
 

lion_crazz

Active Member
Originally Posted by Mr_X
http:///forum/post/2836988
wow..times are tough..what can they be making on that? a dollar fifty a pound? gotta move alot of rock to pay that rent!
no - their annual sale day is next saturday. Whole store is on sale! 25% off all saltwater fish and corals too!!
 
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