It's just another trillion dollars

oscardeuce

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It seems Sec. Clinton is dipping into the Obama stash and promising 100 billion per year for 10 years for poor countries to decrease their CO2.
A trillion here a trillion there. Where they getting all this money?
Why not fix our economy first, lower taxes and let those of us who own small businesses hire some more people before outsourcing our money...again.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3191519
It seems Sec. Clinton is dipping into the Obama stash and promising 100 billion per year for 10 years for poor countries to decrease their CO2.
A trillion here a trillion there. Where they getting all this money?
Why not fix our economy first, lower taxes and let those of us who own small businesses hire some more people before outsourcing our money...again.
Because this isnt about the environment. It's about redistribution of wealth.
 

fishtaco

Active Member
They are giving that money away and in the meantime China is going to be the worlds leader in green technology and make that much money off it. I wonder what the answer would be if you went to the government and asked for a loan for an eco-friendly start-up company to help the economy and provide jobs?
Fishtaco
 

reefraff

Active Member
Instead of giving the money to other countries why not place it in the hands of US corporations who create the technology? I realize the socialists loath corporations but wouldn't it make sense to encourage the development, and therefore job growth in our country?
 

aquaknight

Active Member
I wonder if they just know? There's no light at the end of tunnel, so they're just getting whatever 'goals' they have in their screwy heads done before the end. The US is in pieces but we'll be remembered for national healthcare. Kinda like a guy knowing he's probably going away for life. Go out and finance a Ferrari.
 

reefraff

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Credit Suisse was just fined for violating the ban on dealing with Iran, 536,000,000 bucks!!! The enormity of the financial world is dealing with so many zero's and commas that people throw around the Billion word like it's nothing any more. It's crazy. The idea the these fool politicians will make comments like "it's only 1.5 million dollars" is obscene. If it is such a trivial amount send me a check.
 

t316

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3191575
They are giving that money away and in the meantime China is going to be the worlds leader in green technology and make that much money off it. I wonder what the answer would be if you went to the government and asked for a loan for an eco-friendly start-up company to help the economy and provide jobs?
Fishtaco
Interesting you mention this, but actually, NC is offering huge incentives. Not sure about other states, but Gov. Perdue has made it somewhat of a mission of her's to attract new jobs to NC, and the majority of it is highly promotional towards "green".
Don't help me worth a crap since I don't see where I can really make my small buisness any greener, but just wanted to cross-examine your comment.
 

wfd1008

Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3191784
Credit Suisse was just fined for violating the ban on dealing with Iran, 536,000,000 bucks!!! The enormity of the financial world is dealing with so many zero's and commas that people throw around the Billion word like it's nothing any more. It's crazy. The idea the these fool politicians will make comments like "it's only 1.5 million dollars" is obscene. If it is such a trivial amount send me a check.
Me too, I want one. I'll be happy with just a cool mil.
 

reefraff

Active Member
It sounds like they have the votes for the health care fiasco so get ready for your insurance rates to go up on top of the tax increases for bailouts and global whining.
 

darthtang aw

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...900797_pf.html
"Instead of a public option, the final product would allow private firms for the first time to offer national insurance policies to all Americans, outside the jurisdiction of state regulations. Those plans would be negotiated through the Office of Personnel Management, the same agency that handles health coverage for federal workers and members of Congress.
Starting immediately, insurers would be prohibited from denying children coverage for pre-existing conditions. A complete ban on the practice would take effect in 2014, when the legislation seeks to create a network of state-based insurance exchanges, or marketplaces, where people who lack access to affordable coverage through an insurer can purchase policies. "
That is what I actually like/have no issue with really.I have some small issues...but not worth debating....a government bill was always going to have some form of government control/direction.
This is what I do have issue........
"Every American would be required to obtain coverage under the proposal, and employers would be required to pay a fine if they failed to offer affordable coverage and their workers sought federal subsidies to purchase insurance in the exchanges. Reid's package would offer additional assistance to the smallest businesses, however, increasing tax credits to purchase coverage by $12 billion over previous versions.
The overall cost of the package was not immediately available, but aides said it would be more than covered by cutting future Medicare spending and raising taxes in the health sector, including a 40 percent excise on the most expensive insurance policies. The package would reduce budget deficits by $130 billion by 2019, aides said, and by as much as $650 billion in the decade thereafter. "
Two questions...how can you estimate the cost when you don't even know the number of people that will have to join the plan? And why is it costing the government money if Private insurance companies are the one's actually providing the new coverages?
How does cutting Medicare help out the elderly that truly need health coverage more so than the average american?
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Another reason I have issues with this bill.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article....asp?id=423054
We can't afford it. Just make the cost cuts otherwise our deficit is going to be our death.
I swear to god...this bill "may" not add to the defecit in the long run...but how much would the saving be and how quickly would they occur if we just did the cost cuts and waited to pass something like this once we have our budghet balanced...
Right now our debt has gone from 3% of GDP under BUSH to almost 15% under Obama......How much higher will a 900 billion dollar healthcare bill take it? savings in the future sure...but what about now?
 

reefraff

Active Member
I can tell you for certain that 23% of seniors are getting hosed by eliminating the medicare advantage programs. I have another option so once they pull the rug out I will drop medicare and pray my wife has coverage until I hit 65 so I don't get hit with the penalty.
 
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