Jags/Colts Game

[jstdv8]

If the jags don't pick him in the first I can see tebow going 2nd or even third.
Just think aaron rodgers went 22nd in his draft even after he was a possible #1 prospect. 49ers take alex smith, end of story.

 

[crypt keeper]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3191726
USC has 3 guys starting in the NFL (that's almost 10% of the league)....That means they are starting at the highest level....Yeah, Cassell was terrible last year wasn't he?

Almost made the Pro Bowl....Sanchez is starting as a rookie in a league where almost nobody does, and in playoff contention, what a loser

. Carson Palmer is easily one of the 8 best QB's in the league. Matt Lienart is backing up a Hall of Famer on a SuperBowl contender, what a bust....How many other schools have 3 QB's starting in the NFL? Honestly I don't think there are any.

I'm so proud of you for having your own opinion though on Tebow

, stick with MMA or Wrestling.
Cassel took over a 18-1 team and couldnt even win his own weak sorry division with them. Sorry a late late round Michigan QB blows every USC qb away ever. The one in Miami is doing better as well. This is his second year and first starting. Doing a ton better than Cassel. Michigan guy as well.
Matt Lienart lost that job. lets not kid ourselves. Kurt was brought in as a back up but given a fair shot at winning the job and your boy hasnt shown half what he he has done at USC. If he did IMO he would be starting. I said you had 1 qb worth a damn. I ment Palmer and that still stands.
Sanchez is a rookie qb starter where almost nobody does. Hmmmm. Matt Ryan. Sanchez. Stafford. Isnt that 10% of the NFL starting rookies in the past 2 years? Must be a great stat since you used it. Im sure you will twist it one way or another. Oh and that kid in Tampa is starting as a rookie as well. Oh yeah Young started as a rookie. He was just the NFL Offensive rookie of the year and selected to the pro bowl as a rookie. How many USC qbs have done that? I just named 5 qbs in the past 3 years who have started as a rookie. Didnt you just say the NFL doesnt do that? Oh and didnt Big Ben start as a rookie. He has two rings. How many great USC qbs have two rings these past two decades? Lets lay a big fat egg on that note.
But hey USC has starters in the NFL and zero super bowls. You almost sound like a Dallas cowboy fan. Keep up those high bust draft picks. Because the only thing in the NFL that matters is Super Bowl wins. NOTHING ELSE!

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3191787
Cassel took over a 18-1 team and couldnt even win his own weak sorry division with them. Sorry a late late round Michigan QB blows every USC qb away ever. The one in Miami is doing better as well. This is his second year and first starting. Doing a ton better than Cassel. Michigan guy as well.
Matt Lienart lost that job. lets not kid ourselves. Kurt was brought in as a back up but given a fair shot at winning the job and your boy hasnt shown half what he he has done at USC. If he did IMO he would be starting. I said you had 1 qb worth a damn. I ment Palmer and that still stands.
Sanchez is a rookie qb starter where almost nobody does. Hmmmm. Matt Ryan. Sanchez. Stafford. Isnt that 10% of the NFL starting rookies in the past 2 years? Must be a great stat since you used it. Im sure you will twist it one way or another. Oh and that kid in Tampa is starting as a rookie as well. Oh yeah Young started as a rookie. He was just the NFL Offensive rookie of the year and selected to the pro bowl as a rookie. How many USC qbs have done that? I just named 5 qbs in the past 3 years who have started as a rookie. Didnt you just say the NFL doesnt do that? Oh and didnt Big Ben start as a rookie. He has two rings. How many great USC qbs have two rings these past two decades? Lets lay a big fat egg on that note.
But hey USC has starters in the NFL and zero super bowls. You almost sound like a Dallas cowboy fan. Keep up those high bust draft picks. Because the only thing in the NFL that matters is Super Bowl wins. NOTHING ELSE!
How is Brady doing this year? He will be doing good to get to 11-5, and since when is the AFC East a bad conference? Chad Henne is a back up filling in for Chad Pennington whom took them to the playoffs last year, they won't be there this year. Super Bowls are the only thing that matter??? I would say making a pay check is pretty important to most those guys, but if winning a SB is the only thing that matters, your Redskins might as well close up shop.

 

[browniebuck]

I think that the next comment will be that the Redskins have more Super Bowl wins than your Cardinals....not 100% sure if that is the next comment or not...but, you left yourself open.

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by browniebuck
http:///forum/post/3192079
I think that the next comment will be that the Redskins have more Super Bowl wins than your Cardinals....not 100% sure if that is the next comment or not...but, you left yourself open.
Jack Kent Cooke and Joe Gibbs are not in D.C. anymore...Crypt was 10 the last time the Redskins saw the SuperBowl...Daniel Snyder is a dumpster fire of an owner, overpays for past their prime players, and medals as much as J.J.

 

[browniebuck]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3191420
Please post times for those 4.4 backers. Brian Cushing ran a 4.7 or 4.8 at the combine. I forgot Tom Brady and every QB runs a 4.2
Jerrod Mayo (New England), Patrick Willis (San Francisco), and Aaron Curry (Seattle) are three that I was able to find in the 4.4-4.5 range, though I am sure that there are more. It was rather difficult to find combine statistics that listed players and their times in the 40. My point is that the NFL game is 100 times faster than the college game, he will not be able to elude the pass rush as he has been able to in college. Could he be a solid NFL quarterback...possibly, do I see it happening, NO.
You want to name quarterbacks that are like Brady...he is the exception, he is most definitely not the rule...
AFC EAST - NE - Brady 6th round, MIA - Henne 2nd round, NYJ - Sanchez 1st round, Buffalo - Edwards 3rd round
AFC NORTH CLE - Quinn 1st round, PIT - Roethlisberger 1st round, BAL - Flacco 1st round, CIN - Palmer 1st round
AFC SOUTH JAX - Garrard 4th round, IND - Manning 1st round, TEN - Young 1st round, HOU - Schaub 3rd round
AFC WEST SD - Rivers 1st round, OAK - Gradkowski 6th round (w/ Russell 1st round), DEN - Orton 4th round, KC - Cassel 7th round
NFC EAST DAL - Romo UNDRAFTED, NYG - Manning 1st round, PHI - McNabb 1st round, WAS - Campbell 1st round
NFC NORTH CHI - Cutler 1st round, GB - Rodgers 1st round, MIN - Favre 2nd round, DET - Stafford 1st round
NFC SOUTH NO - Brees 2nd round, ATL - Ryan 1st round, CAR - Delhomme UNDRAFTED, TB - Freeman 1st round
NFC WEST SF - Smith 1st round, Seattle - Hasselbeck 6th round, AZ - Warner UNDRAFTED, STL - Bulger 6th round
I think that was 8 QB's taken after the 4th round (17 first rounders alone)...not too bad. Now look at those that have won Super Bowls, only Brady and Warner were taken after round 4. Both Mannings, Favre, and Roethlisberger.

 

[browniebuck]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3192089
Jack Kent Cooke and Joe Gibbs are not in D.C. anymore...Crypt was 10 the last time the Redskins saw the SuperBowl...Daniel Snyder is a dumpster fire of an owner, overpays for past their prime players, and medals as much as J.J.
I agree with you wholeheartedly...I was just trying to predict his comeback...Daniel Snyder should be FORCED to sell the team with someone that at least knows SOMETHING about football, let him get back to winning fantasy league championships and leave the real thing to real people.

 

[crypt keeper]

Daniel Snyder just hired a New GM that has a super Bowl ring and built the Raiders up when they were good. I believe the Skins have made a turn for the better. I dont bring up previous Super Bowls. They were 20 years ago. Skins were a dynasty in the late 80's into early 90's. They went to a bunch of super bowls during that time. Won 3.
Only losers say that being the best in your sport isnt what we strive for. Just picking up a paycheck is good enough. You ask all the players in the NFL why they play the game. Why they destroy their Bodies its for the love of the game and winning a Super Bowl.
Im willing to bet Dan marion would give up half his records that most have been broken now for a Super Bowl. Manning was known for not winning the big game once he won it it solidified him as a HOF and one of the best to ever play.

 

[crypt keeper]

Originally Posted by browniebuck
http:///forum/post/3192123
Jerrod Mayo (New England), Patrick Willis (San Francisco), and Aaron Curry (Seattle) are three that I was able to find in the 4.4-4.5 range, though I am sure that there are more. It was rather difficult to find combine statistics that listed players and their times in the 40. My point is that the NFL game is 100 times faster than the college game, he will not be able to elude the pass rush as he has been able to in college. Could he be a solid NFL quarterback...possibly, do I see it happening, NO.
Okay you posted 3 lbs in entire nfl when most teams play with 3 or even 4. That is around 100 lbs in the nfl you came up with three. Congrats. You soooo proved me wrong with 3. A good 40 time for an LB is a 4.6 to a 4.8. Thats what they run at combines.
Many Wrs in the nfl run a 4.4 which is fast.
Now I will say that 30 of the 32 qbs dont run anywhere near that. Most are in the 4.9 to 5.2 range. Hell probably even slower. None of them are getting killed now are they? SEC has the fastest players as a division then any conference. They dont get much faster than those guys. Just bigger and keeping around the same speed.

 

[kjr_trig]

There are only 2 QB's of any note that run a 4.4...One likes to kill dogs, and the other is Jake Locker

 

[browniebuck]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3192159
Okay you posted 3 lbs in entire nfl when most teams play with 3 or even 4. That is around 100 lbs in the nfl you came up with three. Congrats. You soooo proved me wrong with 3. A good 40 time for an LB is a 4.6 to a 4.8. Thats what they run at combines.
Now I will say that 30 of the 32 qbs dont run anywhere near that. Most are in the 4.9 to 5.2 range. Hell probably even slower. None of them are getting killed now are they?
As I stated in my post....I looked and found the combine results for only 2 years...that's all I could find readily (and not all players run at the combine). The NFL doesn't keep track of 40 times, so the list (admittedly) was small. You are correct, a good time for an average LB in the NFL is 4.6-4.8...I am talking about the elite pass rushing LB's.
You mention that no QB's are getting "killed" in the NFL. What quarterbacks in the NFL would you say are like Tebow? How many NFL QB's are going to rely as much on their legs to be successful? How many teams in the NFL have as much talent as Florida has had for the past few years? After how many seasons is Vince Young finally finding success? Other than Young, who else in the NFL would rely as much as Tebow on their scrambling ability?
I understand that you may have a "man crush" on Tebow, but that don't let that cloud reality and the fact that people that get paid handsomely to critique college football talent have him rated as a 3rd-5th round draft pick if picked to be a QB. His skill set simply doesn't translate to star NFL quarterback...which is what you are hoping to get when you draft one in the 1st round.

 

[crypt keeper]

LOL Look i dont have a man crush on Tebow. I said I think he could be a good qb in the nfl with a supporting cast and it got blown out of proportion. I called the dude gay in this thread. I could care less if he ever plays a single down. I said something and then the NFL expert Trig jumped all over my case and I defended it.
Big Ben reminds me of Tebow. That big akward body that is strong and not the best passer but good enough to have two rings which is more than other ELITE USC guys.

 

[browniebuck]

100% agree on the USC QB's...they haven't DONE anything. For the most part, a lot of the QB's in the NFL were kind of afterthoughts as it pertained to the draft. Without a STRONG supporting cast, there is no QB in the NFL that can win on their own...in college, a QB can take over games, but that is very difficult to do in the NFL without quality WR, TE, RB, and OL help.

 

[crypt keeper]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3192174
There are only 2 QB's of any note that run a 4.4...One likes to kill dogs, and the other is Jake Locker

I havent seen Locker Play that much as the east coast doesnt get to see many Washington games. Is he really worth the hype? I know he is staying but he is a top 5 choice if he comes out. Next year can only harm him if he gets hurt.