Joe the Plumber

sickboy

sickboy

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I forgot something:
Yes, the perception of increased demand does effect the price. The futures market takes that and the 'speculation' price will fall. But that does not effect the price that OPEC sells us a barrel of Oil, especially when their government budgets are made assuming a certain price....there are no longer market prices, but price tags. They will just supply less to get what they want.
When was the last time someone told you that a year from now we will have MORE oil in the world than we do today? The price will just continue to go up, of course it shouldn't shoot up as much as it had in the last couple years.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2803442
Ok, so we get it from Alaska. I'm not convinced that he's right on whether or not to drill in Alaska, and I don't really care. What is the problem? We are addicted to oil and needs to find a more viable option. We will always use oil for something, but do we need to burn it all the time to get from point A to B? I'm not really concerned about global warming either. Just, we have had the technology to change our fuel for over 50 years, yet we are still dependent on Oil Companies who are dependent on the oil cartel. (Who coincidentally have terrorists also dependent on them. Connection to Terrorism?
) For example: why couldn't we have perfected the electric car by now so that we could get our energy from clean coal from right here in the USA. Creating American jobs instead of Mid-eastern jobs?
This helps me immensely in understanding some of your view points. (Not joking or mocking, just really, it makes more sense now).
Out of all fairness, I've held these positions and other since before I got hired by a project management company that manages building of oil platforms, and funny enough wind turbines.
This is what I don't get, addicted to oil? What in the world does that mean? ESPECIALLY when you say you don't buy the global warming argument.
Maybe I'm a little naive when it comes to the free markets. But if we had a viable alternative for fuel/transportation than oil based products, then why haven't they out played their competition? And don't say because the evil oil companies squashed them. I know some of it is that the combustion engine was here first. But if someone today walked in and had an engine that was "clean" and more efficient than the combustion engine they'd be richer than their wildest dreams very fast.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2803450
I forgot something:
Yes, the perception of increased demand does effect the price. The futures market takes that and the 'speculation' price will fall. But that does not effect the price that OPEC sells us a barrel of Oil, especially when their government budgets are made assuming a certain price....there are no longer market prices, but price tags. They will just supply less to get what they want.
When was the last time someone told you that a year from now we will have MORE oil in the world than we do today? The price will just continue to go up, of course it shouldn't shoot up as much as it had in the last couple years.
well, to name one, Bush, when he got up and said he was lifting the executive ban on domestic drilling. And wouldn't sign to renew congress's.
 
ironeagle2006

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I talked to a person that is in the Oil INdustry as a Roughneck for a small wildcat company called I have kept my contacts from being an OTR trucker. He has seen what the Geologists have estimated are under the Continetal shelf word to the wise they make the Persian Gulf supplies look like a Bathtub floating in an OCEAN. Also in ANWR were they want to drill there is what is under Kuwaitt right now and we can have that online in 18 MONTHS NOT 15 YEARS.
 
sickboy

sickboy

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Well, I have no problem with drilling more. If we can get this stuff out of the ground soon, then by all means drill. But, if we had this much oil....what have we been doing? We must really like making the middle east rich. I would like to see some research on how much we really have. I heard there is some in the Northeast midwest as well (it was michigan or ohio, or somewhere around there) but that we had to find a way to crack the limestone on top of it.
Still, this doesn't change my argument that we should find a new fuel source. I don't buy the global warming argument is solely from humans, but I do believe we help. How could we not?? We know the emissions we release. Its too bad you can't find unbiased studies about our exact effect...its like finding unbiased political reports...
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2804170
Well, I have no problem with drilling more. If we can get this stuff out of the ground soon, then by all means drill. But, if we had this much oil....what have we been doing? We must really like making the middle east rich. I would like to see some research on how much we really have. I heard there is some in the Northeast midwest as well (it was michigan or ohio, or somewhere around there) but that we had to find a way to crack the limestone on top of it.
Still, this doesn't change my argument that we should find a new fuel source. I don't buy the global warming argument is solely from humans, but I do believe we help. How could we not?? We know the emissions we release. Its too bad you can't find unbiased studies about our exact effect...its like finding unbiased political reports...
2 things,
one reason we aren't drilling in some areas is the public/government didn't support it due to various environmental stances.
second thing, You won't find a study with accurate an accurate effect Humans have on pollution levels. The reason being is you would have to know the levels of each greenhouse gas when their wasn't any humans....see the problem. There is no true way to tell.
 
sickboy

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Isn't the technology in drilling for oil safer now, so the wild wouldn't notice a difference? Other than the pipes running through the woods....
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2803348
LOL, read the healthcare statement again... The part you put in bold print ONLY refers to choice of Doctors.... NOT the industry as you apparently thought it did.

Do you know how much Oil Companies pay in taxes? As for nuclear plants, I have one not too far away from my backyard. Didn't bother me a bit.
The whole page is full of Socialist propaganda. That was my point.
I quoted Obama on gun control. As for gun restrictions never happening, tell that to the residents of Washington DC that for years could not own a gun. Again, arguing "it will never happen" isn't a viable defense of a un-Constitutional positon.
There's no winning with you journey. You'll put a socialist spin on Obama's programs no matter what someone tells or shows you. I forgot you lived up near Dallas. Pretty much explains your arrogant attitude. Just keep livin' the dream over there in the hot Iraqi sun on MY taxes.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2804361
There's no winning with you journey. You'll put a socialist spin on Obama's programs no matter what someone tells or shows you. I forgot you lived up near Dallas. Pretty much explains your arrogant attitude. Just keep livin' the dream over there in the hot Iraqi sun on MY taxes.
How about what Obama says:
"Spread the wealth"
How can that not be socialist?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2804170
Well, I have no problem with drilling more. If we can get this stuff out of the ground soon, then by all means drill. But, if we had this much oil....what have we been doing? We must really like making the middle east rich. I would like to see some research on how much we really have. I heard there is some in the Northeast midwest as well (it was michigan or ohio, or somewhere around there) but that we had to find a way to crack the limestone on top of it.
Still, this doesn't change my argument that we should find a new fuel source. I don't buy the global warming argument is solely from humans, but I do believe we help. How could we not?? We know the emissions we release. Its too bad you can't find unbiased studies about our exact effect...its like finding unbiased political reports...
There are a bunch of different numbers of "total reserves" if you go for the lowest # then this is a decent spreadsheet.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/reserves.html
But this doesn't include the oil shale motherload literally, a midrange estimate has this around 700 billion barrels of oil (to put that in perspective saudi is sitting on about 250 billion barrels), called the Green River Formation in the midwest. The downside is that it is more expensive to refine to usable product since it isn't quite oil yet. So with tech right now it isn't viable financially until oil is around 80-90 dollars a barrel (depending on who you ask). Oh and congress has banned the extraction of the the oil.
Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2804299
Isn't the technology in drilling for oil safer now, so the wild wouldn't notice a difference? Other than the pipes running through the woods....
That is one of the argument for drilling. IMO there is always a risk involved. But take for instance the area in the Bermuda triangle (ever seen that show postulating that gas bubbles caused all the ships to sink on dsc) there is more oil/gas just leaking out of the ground than what we spill every year. But yeah, they do a very good job on preventing product loss. In the GoM you can't even toss a cigarette butt over the side of a platform. They have people that go around and check down current from your platform then fine you if there is trash in the water...
 
triga22

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Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2802692
JOE the plumber is a republican who was just trying to give Obama a hard time. He wanted to stump Obama with his questions just like that guy did Palin at that restaurant. Got to love Joe for trying to help out his party.
By the way McCain brought up his name first and Joe cannot plumb without a license in Ohio.
Actually, Joe can plumb without a license you dont need one in the state of ohio.
 
reefraff

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Actually he can work as a plumber as long as he physically works with a licensed plumber who is doing the job.
 
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