Just a reminder
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lovethesea
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no joke. A friend of my daughter was killed a few months ago. No seatbelt. Thrown from vehicle and his body slammed into a tree. Other kid in car had seatbelt, bumps, brusies, broken wrist.
Just last few days here in STL, 2 seperate accidens people died from not being belted in their seats. Both thrown from vehicle.
I don't even notice that I do it anymore. Its just done. Same with kids. Heck, its such a habit for me, even if I am moving the car down the driveway out of the garge it put it on. Just that much of a habit.
Just last few days here in STL, 2 seperate accidens people died from not being belted in their seats. Both thrown from vehicle.
I don't even notice that I do it anymore. Its just done. Same with kids. Heck, its such a habit for me, even if I am moving the car down the driveway out of the garge it put it on. Just that much of a habit.
bionicarm
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Here in Texas, the motto is, "Click It Or Ticket". We have these turnarounds under most of our overpasses so if you want to go the other direction on the freeway, you don't have to go through the light. In the last few months, the San Antonio cops park their cars on this median underneath the overpass, and stand there watching cars pass by. If they see someone who doesn't have their seat belt on, they point at them, and then point them in the direction of a nearby parking lot where another cop is waiting to hand them a ticket. I think the fine is $250. Like lovethesea, putting my seat belt on is a normal reaction when I sit in my seat. Also don't even realize it's on anymore.
meowzer
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WOW...that was a neat video......I had a wreck many years ago....flipped my car and was thrown out (NO seatbelt)...thank God I was not seriously hurt. I hit the road on my shoulder, and needed stitches, and have a scar that reminds me to wear my seatbelt.. My son was with me...(at the time he was 5) Had his seatbelt on...he remained in the car, and received only a bruise..
mrdc
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I can't watch the video here at work but I can see from the dialogue that it must be something about wearing seatbelts. I have been wearing mine ever since I turned 16 due to my mom always reminding me how her insurance would go up if I was caught without it. Now I wear it more for safety reasons and not for insurance risk. I rode in a persons truck not too long ago that didn't have a passenger seatbelt and I felt so uncomfortable.
I do have friends that still don't wear them. They say that they feel too constricting which is a load of BS to me.
I do have friends that still don't wear them. They say that they feel too constricting which is a load of BS to me.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3275530
Here in Texas, the motto is, "Click It Or Ticket". We have these turnarounds under most of our overpasses so if you want to go the other direction on the freeway, you don't have to go through the light. In the last few months, the San Antonio cops park their cars on this median underneath the overpass, and stand there watching cars pass by. If they see someone who doesn't have their seat belt on, they point at them, and then point them in the direction of a nearby parking lot where another cop is waiting to hand them a ticket. I think the fine is $250. Like lovethesea, putting my seat belt on is a normal reaction when I sit in my seat. Also don't even realize it's on anymore.
I hate those check points. They get you for registration and inspection too.
http:///forum/post/3275530
Here in Texas, the motto is, "Click It Or Ticket". We have these turnarounds under most of our overpasses so if you want to go the other direction on the freeway, you don't have to go through the light. In the last few months, the San Antonio cops park their cars on this median underneath the overpass, and stand there watching cars pass by. If they see someone who doesn't have their seat belt on, they point at them, and then point them in the direction of a nearby parking lot where another cop is waiting to hand them a ticket. I think the fine is $250. Like lovethesea, putting my seat belt on is a normal reaction when I sit in my seat. Also don't even realize it's on anymore.
I hate those check points. They get you for registration and inspection too.
aquaknight
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Guy looks like he could have avoided the crash if he didn't panic and lock up and go hard left.
A few advanced driving classes could have taught him what to do in that situation.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3275530
Here in Texas, the motto is, "Click It Or Ticket". We have these turnarounds under most of our overpasses so if you want to go the other direction on the freeway, you don't have to go through the light. In the last few months, the San Antonio cops park their cars on this median underneath the overpass, and stand there watching cars pass by. If they see someone who doesn't have their seat belt on, they point at them, and then point them in the direction of a nearby parking lot where another cop is waiting to hand them a ticket. I think the fine is $250. Like lovethesea, putting my seat belt on is a normal reaction when I sit in my seat. Also don't even realize it's on anymore.
In most states (all that I found quickly on google), seatbelt violations are secondary offensives. Meaning you can't get pulled over simply for not wearing your belt. I would hard pressed to imagine Texas isn't one of 'em.
I got popped for no seatbelt a few months ago. Cop started to follow me. Waiting in a left turn lane, I hestiated till only I could clear the oncoming cars and the cop would ahve to wait. Didn't matter, cop ran me down. I technically got pulled over for "failure to yield" but got the seatbelt ticket. I normally wear a seatbelt, but I had a wife beater on.
Anyone want to guess how much an Alabama seatbelt ticket is? $10 bux.
I was pretty shocked. We have that same "Click it Ticket It" and other campaigns here too.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3275530
Here in Texas, the motto is, "Click It Or Ticket". We have these turnarounds under most of our overpasses so if you want to go the other direction on the freeway, you don't have to go through the light. In the last few months, the San Antonio cops park their cars on this median underneath the overpass, and stand there watching cars pass by. If they see someone who doesn't have their seat belt on, they point at them, and then point them in the direction of a nearby parking lot where another cop is waiting to hand them a ticket. I think the fine is $250. Like lovethesea, putting my seat belt on is a normal reaction when I sit in my seat. Also don't even realize it's on anymore.
In most states (all that I found quickly on google), seatbelt violations are secondary offensives. Meaning you can't get pulled over simply for not wearing your belt. I would hard pressed to imagine Texas isn't one of 'em.
I got popped for no seatbelt a few months ago. Cop started to follow me. Waiting in a left turn lane, I hestiated till only I could clear the oncoming cars and the cop would ahve to wait. Didn't matter, cop ran me down. I technically got pulled over for "failure to yield" but got the seatbelt ticket. I normally wear a seatbelt, but I had a wife beater on.
Anyone want to guess how much an Alabama seatbelt ticket is? $10 bux.
reefraff
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I got popped for no seatbelt when I first moved to Montana. I drove off with no seatbelt on hoping the cop would pull me over again. It was a secondary violation and he wouldn't tell me why I was pulled over to begin with. I suspect I matched a description of someone they were looking for but that didn't give them the right to ticket me. I wasn't going to argue with the guy lest he invented a reason for pulling me over and giving me a ticket for something else but if he had given me a second one I would have argued it in court. It was a 20.00 ticket. At that time in Montana if you were pulled over on the interstate or a state highway in the daytime for speeding and you werent doing more than 20 MPH over the limit it was a 5.00 ticket with nothing on your record
aquaknight
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3275569
I got popped for no seatbelt when I first moved to Montana. I drove off with no seatbelt on hoping the cop would pull me over again. It was a secondary violation and he wouldn't tell me why I was pulled over to begin with. I suspect I matched a description of someone they were looking for but that didn't give them the right to ticket me. I wasn't going to argue with the guy lest he invented a reason for pulling me over and giving me a ticket for something else but if he had given me a second one I would have argued it in court. It was a 20.00 ticket. At that time in Montana if you were pulled over on the interstate or a state highway in the daytime for speeding and you werent doing more than 20 MPH over the limit it was a 5.00 ticket with nothing on your record
That's other one of the reasons. Personally I really don't get this whole "war on seatbelts." I've never heard of an accident where the other driver was injured more, because the first driver wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Everyone knows wearing saves your life/further injuries. Even people who don't wear a seatbelt. If anyone doesn't, they shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place. I've heard of people not belted-in, in the rear seats injuring people in the front seats, but guess what? In most states rear seat passengers (16 & over) are exempt from seatbelt laws.
There just are so many more important things then whether or not I decide to wear my belt
. For example, people driving with burnt out/dim headlights at night. Now there's a real threat, that not only effects the driver, but other motorists, they should focus on, instead of dumb seatbelt enforcement.
http:///forum/post/3275569
I got popped for no seatbelt when I first moved to Montana. I drove off with no seatbelt on hoping the cop would pull me over again. It was a secondary violation and he wouldn't tell me why I was pulled over to begin with. I suspect I matched a description of someone they were looking for but that didn't give them the right to ticket me. I wasn't going to argue with the guy lest he invented a reason for pulling me over and giving me a ticket for something else but if he had given me a second one I would have argued it in court. It was a 20.00 ticket. At that time in Montana if you were pulled over on the interstate or a state highway in the daytime for speeding and you werent doing more than 20 MPH over the limit it was a 5.00 ticket with nothing on your record
That's other one of the reasons. Personally I really don't get this whole "war on seatbelts." I've never heard of an accident where the other driver was injured more, because the first driver wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Everyone knows wearing saves your life/further injuries. Even people who don't wear a seatbelt. If anyone doesn't, they shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place. I've heard of people not belted-in, in the rear seats injuring people in the front seats, but guess what? In most states rear seat passengers (16 & over) are exempt from seatbelt laws.
There just are so many more important things then whether or not I decide to wear my belt
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3275588
That's other one of the reasons. Personally I really don't get this whole "war on seatbelts." I've never heard of an accident where the other driver was injured more, because the first driver wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Everyone knows wearing saves your life/further injuries. Even people who don't wear a seatbelt. If anyone doesn't, they shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place. I've heard of people not belted-in, in the rear seats injuring people in the front seats, but guess what? In most states rear seat passengers (16 & over) are exempt from seatbelt laws.
There just are so many more important things then whether or not I decide to wear my belt
. For example, people driving with burnt out/dim headlights at night. Now there's a real threat, that not only effects the driver, but other motorists, they should focus on, instead of dumb seatbelt enforcement.
Since the inception of seatbelt laws Car insurance premiums have not increased as much as they were. With higher speed limits came more grievous injuries and deaths that insurance companies were having to fork out for. This drastically increased everyone's premiums a while back. Now, the survival rate is higher and the injury ratio is reduced...thus keeping EVERYONE'S cost down.
I used to think like you. It is my business if I want to fly out my windshield if I get in an accident. but as I have gotten older, I have realized I was paying a higher premium cuz some lazy ass wouldn't put on their seatbelt and cost my insurance company 50 grand in medical bills....
They only problem I have with the laws is I have to wear one in my car, but if I ride a city bus, I don't have to. I can even stand up the whole ride...that is crap.
http:///forum/post/3275588
That's other one of the reasons. Personally I really don't get this whole "war on seatbelts." I've never heard of an accident where the other driver was injured more, because the first driver wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Everyone knows wearing saves your life/further injuries. Even people who don't wear a seatbelt. If anyone doesn't, they shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place. I've heard of people not belted-in, in the rear seats injuring people in the front seats, but guess what? In most states rear seat passengers (16 & over) are exempt from seatbelt laws.
There just are so many more important things then whether or not I decide to wear my belt
Since the inception of seatbelt laws Car insurance premiums have not increased as much as they were. With higher speed limits came more grievous injuries and deaths that insurance companies were having to fork out for. This drastically increased everyone's premiums a while back. Now, the survival rate is higher and the injury ratio is reduced...thus keeping EVERYONE'S cost down.
I used to think like you. It is my business if I want to fly out my windshield if I get in an accident. but as I have gotten older, I have realized I was paying a higher premium cuz some lazy ass wouldn't put on their seatbelt and cost my insurance company 50 grand in medical bills....
They only problem I have with the laws is I have to wear one in my car, but if I ride a city bus, I don't have to. I can even stand up the whole ride...that is crap.
aquaknight
Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3275590
Since the inception of seatbelt laws Car insurance premiums have not increased as much as they were. With higher speed limits came more grievous injuries and deaths that insurance companies were having to fork out for. This drastically increased everyone's premiums a while back. Now, the survival rate is higher and the injury ratio is reduced...thus keeping EVERYONE'S cost down.
I used to think like you. It is my business if I want to fly out my windshield if I get in an accident. but as I have gotten older, I have realized I was paying a higher premium cuz some lazy ass wouldn't put on their seatbelt and cost my insurance company 50 grand in medical bills....
They only problem I have with the laws is I have to wear one in my car, but if I ride a city bus, I don't have to. I can even stand up the whole ride...that is crap.
I don't mean to apply that seatbelts are dumb, or even educational videos such this one. I just don't agree with the levels of enforcement they are doing for seatbelts. Doing some quick googling, I found that most states estimate seatbelt usage to be around 80%. I just think you're ever get the rest of the people who don't wear seatbelts. It also would be reasonable to argue that places with those high speed limits, highways/interstates, have one of the lowest percentage of seatbelt tickets, as it's virtually impossible for officers to tell if people are wearing belts at those speeds. I would venture to guess most seatbelt tickets comes from urban/city traffic, where speeds are low, and seatbelt usage, isn't as important.
There are other things, headlights like I mentioned, people driving on flat and underinflated tires, etc, which are far bigger threats, and becoming more and more common it seems.
http:///forum/post/3275590
Since the inception of seatbelt laws Car insurance premiums have not increased as much as they were. With higher speed limits came more grievous injuries and deaths that insurance companies were having to fork out for. This drastically increased everyone's premiums a while back. Now, the survival rate is higher and the injury ratio is reduced...thus keeping EVERYONE'S cost down.
I used to think like you. It is my business if I want to fly out my windshield if I get in an accident. but as I have gotten older, I have realized I was paying a higher premium cuz some lazy ass wouldn't put on their seatbelt and cost my insurance company 50 grand in medical bills....
They only problem I have with the laws is I have to wear one in my car, but if I ride a city bus, I don't have to. I can even stand up the whole ride...that is crap.
I don't mean to apply that seatbelts are dumb, or even educational videos such this one. I just don't agree with the levels of enforcement they are doing for seatbelts. Doing some quick googling, I found that most states estimate seatbelt usage to be around 80%. I just think you're ever get the rest of the people who don't wear seatbelts. It also would be reasonable to argue that places with those high speed limits, highways/interstates, have one of the lowest percentage of seatbelt tickets, as it's virtually impossible for officers to tell if people are wearing belts at those speeds. I would venture to guess most seatbelt tickets comes from urban/city traffic, where speeds are low, and seatbelt usage, isn't as important.
There are other things, headlights like I mentioned, people driving on flat and underinflated tires, etc, which are far bigger threats, and becoming more and more common it seems.
bionicarm
Active Member
I know a couple of people who've gotten popped for not wearing a seat belt when going down the Interstate. Texas recently updated their law requiring that even the back seat passengers must wear a seat belt, or face a fine. That's how my one buddy got ticketed. He was driving to Houston on I-10, and his kid decided to grab something from the back of his SUV. When his son looked out the back, he turn around and said, "Hey Dad, there's a DPS car behind us with his lights on." He got pulled over and received a ticket for his son not having his seat belt on while the vehicle was in motion. Needless to say, he wasn't too happy about it.
lovethesea
Active Member
just got home, saw an open jeep, 4 teens in the jeep, weaving in and out of taffic on the hwy. NO SEATBELTS. I feel more sorry for the other car if they are involved in an accdient with these kids. What a terrible sight that would be. No matter what, they ARE leaving that jeep , even in a minor fender bender. You don't know how hard even 25mph is until you are getting hit.
I never got the whole bus thing etiher. Limos also. Our school buses have belts, don't know how much the enforce it.
Maybe if you are involved in a terrible accident and found to be without a seatbelt your insurance coverage to repair an individual should be greatly reduced.
I never got the whole bus thing etiher. Limos also. Our school buses have belts, don't know how much the enforce it.
Maybe if you are involved in a terrible accident and found to be without a seatbelt your insurance coverage to repair an individual should be greatly reduced.
reefraff
Active Member
I've been driving since the mid 70's. Insurance companies say if we pass mandatory insurance rates will drop. Passed it, rates kept going up. Then they said pass mandatory seatbelt law, rates will go down, we passed it and rates went up. I am not saying either are bad, just insurance companies are liars
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3275656
And while I am at it why am I required to pay for uninsured and under-insured coverage when it's illegal to drive without insurance?
LOL....cause some states you only have to carry a bare minimum of 10,000 of liability......So therefore you are protecting yourself....You DON'T HAVE to carry uninsured motorist you know....you just have to sign a form to remove it.....
I keep it cause for the few bucks it cost me.....it has proved very valuable to me here in Oklahoma.....2 accidents I got in where people hit me....1...they had NO insurance....2nd...they took off.....the uninsured motorist actually paid me for my troubles
http:///forum/post/3275656
And while I am at it why am I required to pay for uninsured and under-insured coverage when it's illegal to drive without insurance?
LOL....cause some states you only have to carry a bare minimum of 10,000 of liability......So therefore you are protecting yourself....You DON'T HAVE to carry uninsured motorist you know....you just have to sign a form to remove it.....
I keep it cause for the few bucks it cost me.....it has proved very valuable to me here in Oklahoma.....2 accidents I got in where people hit me....1...they had NO insurance....2nd...they took off.....the uninsured motorist actually paid me for my troubles
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3275660
LOL....cause some states you only have to carry a bare minimum of 10,000 of liability......So therefore you are protecting yourself....You DON'T HAVE to carry uninsured motorist you know....you just have to sign a form to remove it.....
I keep it cause for the few bucks it cost me.....it has proved very valuable to me here in Oklahoma.....2 accidents I got in where people hit me....1...they had NO insurance....2nd...they took off.....the uninsured motorist actually paid me for my troubles
Oh I know. Heck, I am 75 grand ahead of the game on underinsured coverage. It just amazes me that people buy into the political marketing ploys used to pass new laws.
http:///forum/post/3275660
LOL....cause some states you only have to carry a bare minimum of 10,000 of liability......So therefore you are protecting yourself....You DON'T HAVE to carry uninsured motorist you know....you just have to sign a form to remove it.....
I keep it cause for the few bucks it cost me.....it has proved very valuable to me here in Oklahoma.....2 accidents I got in where people hit me....1...they had NO insurance....2nd...they took off.....the uninsured motorist actually paid me for my troubles
Oh I know. Heck, I am 75 grand ahead of the game on underinsured coverage. It just amazes me that people buy into the political marketing ploys used to pass new laws.
cranberry
Active Member
I went through a front window on a freeway. I was lucky in the way I went through that I missed my face and death. If anything had of been different it would have been one of the two. I remember people screaming "Don't Touch Her!" over and over and a bus full of children glued to the window looking down on me as the cops flagged the traffic by. Slow mo like in a movie. Would have been a much better day if I was wearing my seatbelt.
