Just Got A 50 Gal

metweezer

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I have a 29 gal which I want to convert to a sump/fuge for a 50 I just bought. I know that the tank is not big but I would like to know what type of filter I should get. Canister filters seem to be viewed unfavorably on here and I guess power filters are too small. Is a wet/dry the way to go? It will be a reef tank and I plan on probably getting a nova extreme pro 234 watt T5. The 29 will fit under the 50 in the stand but there will be no more room for anything else. Any help would be appreciated. BTW I got the 50 and a wood stand for $50.00
 

metweezer

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What about the main tank? I will have roughly 80 gals. of water. I currently have an emperor 400 for the 29. If I buy another one and have them both on the 50 then I don't thnik it will look too good.
 

scopus tang

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Nice find Steve
. But why an additional filter? You should be able to run a refugium within the 29 gallon (same size of sump/fuge I'm running on my 65); which means you should be able to get by without any type of external filter. I'd do a chamber with LR, a chamber for a fuge, and a return pump chamber. If you can squeeze it in, I recommend the protein skimmer in the sump, but I wasn't able to make mine fit.
 

aquaguy24

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yes a sump/fuge with macro aglea and protein skimmer is good enough..ur lr is the bulk of ur filtration..power filters and canister filters are for freshwater tanks imo..but anywho sweet deal...
 

mr_x

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a simple filter sock after the drain is all i would recommend, besides your skimmer of course, for mechanical filtration.
 

mr_x

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actually, you don't need mechanical filtration. all the ocean uses is a skimmer(the froth at the shorelines) and live rock for bacteria.
since we have small oceans in our homes, we have to be very careful what nutrients we put into the tank, so as not to overwhelm our biological filtration and our skimmer.
what i run on my system is a large skimmer, and live rock, a refugium, and a single filter sock. i don't need the filter sock really, but the first chamber of my sump gets some detrius accumilation at the bottom if i don't use the sock. i don't feel like getting down there and cleaning it regularly, so i use the filter sock to catch it.
how many chambers do you need in your sump? well, 3 if you want a refugium. i have mine-
intake with skimmer
refugium chamber
return chamber
you will need to keep these areas separate because you don't want the macroalgae getting to the skimmer, or return pumps.
as for what to make baffles out of- i used cutting boards from walmart and cut them to size. they were the cheapest, strongest thing i could find. the acrylic panels at lowes and home depot were flimsy, and the slightly thicker ones were expensive.
i have called glass shoppes and asked them if they would cut 3 pieces of glass for me and they quoted me well over a hundred dollars. in a perfect world, i would have used glass panels the same thickness as the tank.
btw- 3 pieces of material is what i used. a single panel between the intake and refugium, and 2 panels at the other end, before the return. one flush with the tank bottom, and the second baffle an inch off of the bottom.
this way the bubbles have to go through the refugium, then over the first return wall, and all the way down under the 2nd return wall. the theory is, the bubbles will float to the top and the water will come underneath to the return pump.
 

metweezer

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This may sound stupid to the 'Sumpers' out there, but if LR is my main filtration then why do I need a filter for my tank when I don't have a sump? The filter sock catches detrius, the cheato removes nitrates but what keeps my water clean and clear? Once again, pardon my ignorance
 

mr_x

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you don't. you don't need mechanical filtration. the powerheads keep things suspended long enough to get taken out by the skimmer. your cleanup crew eats what falls to the bottom and on the rock, and the live rock(bacteria) should be able to take care of the rest, providing you are not adding too much for the system to handle.
 

scopus tang

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Originally Posted by Mr_X
http:///forum/post/2743050
you don't. you don't need mechanical filtration. the powerheads keep things suspended long enough to get taken out by the skimmer. your cleanup crew eats what falls to the bottom and on the rock, and the live rock(bacteria) should be able to take care of the rest, providing you are not adding too much for the system to handle.
+1; I've run many saltwater tanks without any external filtration and a few with, and never seen any advantage to those that I had a filter on; relie on LR and DSB to perform my filtration. This of course assumes that you are running 1 to 1 1/2 lbs of LR per gallon. Make sure you have plenty of flow and you should be good to go.
 

metweezer

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Originally Posted by Mr_X
http:///forum/post/2743050
you don't. you don't need mechanical filtration. the powerheads keep things suspended long enough to get taken out by the skimmer. your cleanup crew eats what falls to the bottom and on the rock, and the live rock(bacteria) should be able to take care of the rest, providing you are not adding too much for the system to handle.
Doug, My filter accumulates quite a bit of stuff and I can't imagine my tank surviving without one. My skimmer cup gets emptied almost daily.
Originally Posted by Scopus Tang

http:///forum/post/2743430
+1; I've run many saltwater tanks without any external filtration and a few with, and never seen any advantage to those that I had a filter on; relie on LR and DSB to perform my filtration. This of course assumes that you are running 1 to 1 1/2 lbs of LR per gallon. Make sure you have plenty of flow and you should be good to go.
Randy, I have 55 lbs of LR in my 29 and have almost 40 X flow between filter, PS and PH's. But I do have caverns and maybe the flow doesn't reach every nook & cranny.
 

octopus8

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Mr. X,
What do you mean you used cutting boards? How did you make them fit and what did you seal them with?
 

mr_x

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steve, if your tank can't sustain itself without mechanical filtration( not including your skimmer of course), you have exceeded your bioload or you are adding too much food.
octopus8- i sawed the cutting boards down and sealed them to the glass with GE type 1 silicone.
 

mr_x

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boards and caulk-

cutting boards measured and cut-

installing them-

finished and running-
 

metweezer

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steve, if your tank can't sustain itself without mechanical filtration( not including your skimmer of course), you have exceeded your bioload or you are adding too much food.
Doug,
With all I am reading about not only feeding your fish but also your corals how the heck do you keep from overfeeding? I know when I feed my fish I can see it being gobbled up right away. Not the same with corals. I am not saying that I overfeed but I have a ton of coral food. I am not using it but I have it. I have rods reef, oyster eggs, coral frenzy, freeze dried cyclopeeze, reef chilli, etc. What's a guy to do?
 

mr_x

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lol. i guess i feed fairly heavy too. i don't use most of those things, but i do use plenty of my own mix. i just feed the day before my waterchange. i don't use any food that floats in the water column either. just meaty foods for the lps.
 

metweezer

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Before water changes do you run a powerhead or baster over your LR or any caverns you have in your tank?
 
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