Just put up tank - Need advice

agrabow837

Member
hi all - it has been awhile since i have put up a salt water tank (10 years or so since college) and i recently just put up a 90 gallon tank with a fluval 405 filter. i have put the water in and added salt and am letting the filter run for a week before adding sand. what salinity and ph should i be targeting? any advice or help on next steps. what temperature should i keep the water at?
thanks.
 

drewsta

Active Member
you want your salinity at 1.025 and go ahead and add sand and live rock now that will start your cycle with nothing in there the cycle wont start
oh and ph of 8.2
 

agrabow837

Member
thanks for the info. i will be adding sand and rock this week. there seems to be little water bubbles on the side of my tank. what is that from? is that a big deal? what is the best way to mix the salt in the water to make sure it is the same salinity throughout the tank.
thanks.
 

hatessushi

Active Member
Since the tank was just setup you can just add the salt right into the tank. That's what I did and it work out real nice. I circulated the water for a few days before adding the LR and then the LS.
 

agrabow837

Member
what is the best way to test PH? my tank has been running for 6 days now and i am going to add live sand and maybe a few small cheap fish to test the tank. i used chicago lake michigan tap water to fill the tank. is there anything i should put into the water to purify it?
 

opus18

Member
Get a master test kit. This will allow you to test PH, Amonia (start of the cycle), Nitrites (middle of the cycle), and nitrates (cyle be done.)
As far as the water goes... I wouldn't use Tap water... RO/DI water is best... Gives you a clean starting point. Better LFS will sell both the water as well as pre-mixed with the needed salt mix...
 

agrabow837

Member
i already filled the 90 gallon tank with tap water, so any advice for getting the impurities out of it? it has been cycling in my fluval 405 for almost 5 days now.
 

dmjordan

Active Member
Originally Posted by agrabow837
i am going to add live sand and maybe a few small cheap fish to test the tank.
Add the live sand and some live rock but I wouldn't add any fish. Your tank is new and has not cycled yet so if you add any fish your ammonia will spike and your fish will die.
As mentioned above get a test kit that has at least the basic 4 and test your tank everyday and log your results until your cycle is complete.
 

opus18

Member
Originally Posted by agrabow837
ok thanks. i will add the sand today then. how long should i cycle for? how will i know when my cycle is complete?
With that test kit... You will see a major growth in amonia (waste products), which will convert to nitrite via bacteria in your rock and sand... Once the nitrites spike, other bacteria will convert that to nitrate... cycle is complete when you have 0 amonia, 0 nitrites, and 10-20 nitrate... Time for your 1st water change to reduce the nitrate levels...
Best o'luck!
 

cgrant

Active Member
I was in the same boat, my 55 was in storage for like 7/8 years.
This site is a wealth of knowledge, it will all come back to you pretty quick, I had forgot just about everything, best thing i can tell you is listen and re-learn, these guys know what they are talking about, most of them anyway
 

puffer32

Active Member
Originally Posted by agrabow837
what is the best way to test PH? my tank has been running for 6 days now and i am going to add live sand and maybe a few small cheap fish to test the tank. i used chicago lake michigan tap water to fill the tank. is there anything i should put into the water to purify it?
Please don't use any fish to cycle your tank, cheap or not its not fair to them! Use a fresh raw shrimp to kick start your cycle
 

agrabow837

Member
i just put the sand in yesterday. i am going to go to the fish store and buy some shrimp to cycle it. i do not have any live rock yet.
any suggestions on which shrimp to buy?
 

playa

Member
OKay I just got interested in this yesterday and I want to know a lot about it before I get stuff. So what exactly is a cycle?
 

sagxman

Member
Originally Posted by agrabow837
i just put the sand in yesterday. i am going to go to the fish store and buy some shrimp to cycle it. i do not have any live rock yet.
any suggestions on which shrimp to buy?
Don't get the shrimp at the fish store. When referring to a fresh raw shrimp, we mean the kind you buy at the grocery store. Just toss it in and it will start to decay.
 

2damsels

New Member
Why put live raw shrimpin the tank to decay?
I have always had a freshwater set up changed to salt water. Local operator @ fish store said add water, add salt, wait three weeks. I have salt rocks on bottom with a small filter pump. 35 gallon. I put two damsels in about a week ago they are ding fine. added some live rock today. I would like diversity in the tank. I found this site a few days ago. need t learn alot it seems. I used tap water with stress coat. but damsels are hardy they like the live rock.
 

opus18

Member
Originally Posted by 2damsels
Why put live raw shrimpin the tank to decay?
I have always had a freshwater set up changed to salt water. Local operator @ fish store said add water, add salt, wait three weeks. I have salt rocks on bottom with a small filter pump. 35 gallon. I put two damsels in about a week ago they are ding fine. added some live rock today. I would like diversity in the tank. I found this site a few days ago. need t learn alot it seems. I used tap water with stress coat. but damsels are hardy they like the live rock.
1) LFS guy is full of crap
2) get the damsels out... if they aren't damaged soon, you'll have a major hassle getting anything else into the tank.
3) I hate to say it but start over... Tap water has stuff that can kill if not shorten the lifespan of your fish.
For a 35 gallon tank, you're gonna need about 35lbs of LR and the same of LS.
I'd first off put in good RO/DI water pre-mixed with marine salt mix... If you follow the manufacturers directions on how much to put in per gallon of water, you should be fairly safe. The way to test how much is with either a hydrometer, or better yet, a refractometer. Once you have the water moving in the tank and at a safe temp (I go for 77F), add your LR. If you put in the sand before, digging creatures can topple and/or get trapped when they go underneath.
This is a great time to test a marine water test kit and see how they work. And this will also be the beginning of your cycle. there are many ways to cycle a tank (building the benefitial bacteria that keeps your fish alive) and most on this board will advise tossing a couple of cocktail shrimp into the water at this point. The decaying matter creates amonia, the first building block of the cycle. It will reach a peak of about 8 on your test kit and then start to drop... As it is dropping, nitrites will start to increase... they too will spike as bacteria converts the amonia to nitrite. Once a toxic level is reached, other bacteria will start converning the nitrite to nitrate, which is much less toxic to the fish and can be reduced by various means including water changes (partial mind you.)
Now... Add in some clean-up crew to, well, clean up the place before your fish arrive. All forms of algae may have sprouted during this time and this crew will love you for the buffet. for your size tank, about 6 mexican turbo snails (or similiar) and about 6 hermit crabs will work nicely.
finally, you get to add your fish. Start with the least agressive... this would be something along the lines of chromis or percula... After that... it's maintenance, water testing, and enjoying the times in-between. I'm still new to this myself, but have a new tank with what appear to be very happy fish... My LR is starting to get all shades of coraline & the brown diatom bloom I experienced is being consumed by my cleanup crew.
I would strongly advise picking up a book about all of this and reading it cover to cover. I did this and it prepared me a bit more than just walking into a store and saying "help me spend my money." (those people are fun to watch)
And most importantly, keep asking questions... There is also a great archive of questions and answers here... I found an answer yesterday to a question concering a power outage and my sump back-flowing from the tank... simple fix... drill a small hole just below the waterline in your return jet... Once the air breaks through that, your siphon effect stops.
good luck...
 
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