just turned on my new 90

willie

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoJ http:///t/389038/just-turned-on-my-new-90#post_3438327
Looks like Green Button Polyps (Protopalythoa sp.)
The Protopalythoa sp. are recommended as a beginner's coral, but with some caution. Protopalythoa produce palytoxin, one of the most potent poisons known to science. For this reason one should take care when handling them. Don't handle them if you have cuts or open wounds and make sure to clean your hands after handling.
HOLY SMOKES! is my aquarium trying to kill me? lol
 

willie

Member
Here is the newest rescape. I would love to say its the last but my wife said she wants me to get some more live rock...I know.

 

geoj

Active Member

HOLY SMOKES! is my aquarium trying to kill me? lol
 
 
I choose not to touch the polyps with out gloves and safety glasses on. I am more concerned with getting an infected cut or sick, then the Protopalythoa palytoxin. So keep clean...
 

willie

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will these guys hurt my tank? When they die off do they release their poison? I dont want something in my tank that is going to be harmful, I have enough challenges on my own!
 

reeferchief

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They are green button palyps. Nothing to worry about and chances are with good water quality they will not die but rather thrive. I have a whole colony of them and I move them around bare handed all the time. I also did not know they were super poisonous, in which case I would suspect that the poison would need to be directly in contact with a cut, opening, sore, etc. Inside a saltwater tank the poison would be highly diluted, I would imagine. So in tank you should be fine, if you move them outside the tank and decide to frag or cut, use protection.
 

willie

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Originally Posted by 2tangCrazy http:///t/389038/just-turned-on-my-new-90#post_3438328
Nice tank! I am in the process of cycling myself. We are in total agreement on the damsels. I have had them in the past and after using them to cycle i felt guilty about taking them back to the lfs so they terrorized my tank till they died. Most lived for years.:(
So after alot of reading I decided that Green Chromis would be good since they are a schooling fish. So I have 10 in my 180g and a lawnmower blenny. I am wondering if the Chromis are picking on my Blenny. He is awfully skittish.Have you seen yours messing with your Blenny? I used to use a reefkeeper with bio balls,that was 9 years ago. From everything I have been reading on different forums it isn't neccesary to use them and they may actually damage your water quality. Have you considered a refugium? What fish are you planning on? Good luck! I will be following your thread.
Thanks! It has been a lot of work but a lot of fun too! My wife loves this thing which makes the expense of the hobby a lot easier to justify.
I am putting together a small refugium this week but sadly my sump has a very limited amount of space. I am using a drilled 29 gallon with baffles but i have a huge reef oct skimmer in the main chamber that takes up almost the whole compartment. a smaller chamber is filled with lr and sand that will be my temp refug. and then the final chamber is the side that is drilled leading to my pump---> display tank the area that i am turning into my temp refug is only about 3 inches by 9 inches and not terribly deep either but better than nothing. I would use the big chamber that leads out to the pump but i dont want a bunch of plant stuff getting blasted into the display.
I would eventually like to put together a seperate container refugium that pumps into the sump but I am going to have to get some more ideas and go from there.
My planned stock list is pretty light as I mostly want corals and critters. But it is going to most likely be:
3-5 green chromis
2 clowns
scooter blenny
lawnmower blenny
mandrin dragonette
small yellow tang
The maybe list includes:
a filefish if it checks out with the other species I want and the peppermints dont eat the aptasia.
a puffer or a trigger if i can find one that is docile enough and wont disturb the reef and inverts but I still need to do some research on that.
 

geoj

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Do more reading both of you.... :ideclare:
Palytoxin: Don't Frag Under the Influence
by James Passantino
I've done a lot of stupid and dangerous stuff in my life, I've admitted this much before in pubic. I got myself hit with tear gas while involved in student riots in Quito, Ecuador while I was neither a student nor a citizen of said country just to take pictures (which were subsequently stolen), jumped out of perfectly good airplanes (landed on a parked mini-van my 5th jump), and once even dove into chum filled waters 10 miles off the eastern seaboard while shark-fishing because the waves and blood made were making me nauseous. And these examples are only things I will admit to, there have been many more accusations made that I will not confirm or deny. Given my proclivity for stupid decisions, I am not exactly sure where this next story ranks, but given that it happened so recently and I should have known better, it should rank high. The thing that I feel really stupid about is the fact that I have sat in on Christine William's lecture on dangers in the aquarium. I payed attention, found it fascinating... and then ignored what I heard.
It started as a benevolent idea to spread some frags around to fellow reefers (and an excuse to play with power tools). A friend, I will call him Omar (real names are not being protected), had recently purchased a new dremel and wanted to test it out so we opened a bottle of scotch and took an extra large palythoa colony out of my refugium. I am not going to list the mistakes that were made, they should be evident. What followed next was completely avoidable. With no gloves, in a room with very poor ventilation, we went to town on this colony. It was on a rock about 8 inches in diameter and circular in shape. The palys were covering the entire portion of the rock that wasn't resting on the bottom of the sump. The dremmel started and within seconds the room started getting a white misted mix of rock and coral. My wife retreated to the shower complaining of the mess we were making. Omar continued to cut the rock as I took pictures, drank scotch and yelled words of encouragement over the sound of the diamond blade slicing through the colony. I assured Omar that the white mist was 'just calcium' as we started to get the metallic taste in our mouths. My scotch-soaked brain started remembering about palytoxins. I took solace in the fact we weren't dead after 10 minutes of cutting. One of Omar's eyes started getting red due to something flying in it. We were both coughing a bit from all the 'calcium' in the air. After about 20 minutes Omar went back to his place and I called him to make sure he was alright. He said he felt decent but his eye and throat were bothering him and he had the same metallic taste in his mouth that I did, he said he was going to go to bed and sleep it off. This was at around 12 A.M. I awoke to my cell phone ringing at around 5 A.M. thinking it was a co-worker calling to tell me there was no school (this was one of the mornings of a big NYC snowstorm); unfortunately it was Omar informing me that he just woke up with a severe fever and horrible chills. I told him to call 911 and get an ambulance ride to the hospital immediately. As I started to wake up I realized that I was short of breath and felt like I had a chest cold. I am not sure if this was from the palytoxin or all the particles of rock that I surely breathed in. After Omar got to the hospital they stuck him in the ER waiting room before they took his temperature thinking it was the flu. He told them several times it was palytoxin poisoning but they didn't pay attention until he had an outburst and demanded to be checked. A nurse checked his temperature and it was 104.something (I forgot the number he told me). They put him into an isolation room and got in touch with doctors from the CDC and the infectious disease department at Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan. The doctors ran a battery of tests for the flu and other things before finally diagnosing what we knew all along, palytoxin poisoning. He stayed in the hospital until the early evening. I cannot imagine how scared he must have been in that isolation room with a high fever and I cannot describe how scared/guilty I felt as the person responsible for this fiasco due to my very poor decision making. Omar got home after a very long day and all was well. In the end, the frags were fine. They were given away as "killer" palys (a bit of hyperbole in this case but certainly not a stretch) to some members of my local club.
The ironic part of all of this is that I had a delivery of gloves and full surgical masks arrive the day this all happened. If we would have been patient and waited 24 hours it is quite possible none of this would have happened. I implore anyone who reads this and thinks it will not happen to them to please use proper protection (gloves and masks) and make sure you are in a well ventilated room when fragging zoanthids or palythoas. Use gloves when you are messing with your tank and please do not think that this cannot happen to you, I thought that way and was fine for 11 years until I got my friend stuck in the hospital.
 

geoj

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Signs, Symptoms and Treatment
For the aquarist, localized numbness and swelling are the most common examples of exposure to Polytoxin. If you experience these symptoms, it is recommended that you flush the area with freshwater for 15 minutes. If the signs or symptoms don’t abate (or if they get worse) seek medical attention.
If sufficient quantities of Palytoxin get into your bloodstream, you may experience nausea and vomiting, muscles spasms, non-localized tingling sensations and numbness, and, ultimately, respiratory distress. These are all indications that the intoxication has gone systemic, and you should seek medical attention immediately.
 

willie

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GeoJ, That was very interesting, informative and amusing, I would like to add that if anyone is doing a scotch driven frag making session locally please invite me and I will bring the rubber gloves at the very least!
 

reeferchief

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Lol. To Willie. Definitely an interesting story but I would never have been using a power tool cutting into palyps, however all that could have changed if Scotch was involved. Scotch scotch scotch <--Ron Burgandy voice
Just moving them around in the tank I'm not worried much about them with all the saltwater...or should i be?
Also Willie to your above post on the mandarin..make sure you have copepods established well before you introduce that fish to your tank.
 

willie

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I have copepods now but not enough, I am looking at some dif ways to make a refugium and I think that should rally my copepod production, everytime I write that word I think of cocopuffs and now I am hungry again.
 
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saxman

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You can make a few "in tank" fuges by making small piles of rubble around the tank. Make them so the fish can't get between the pieces of LR, and the pods will take refuge there and multiply. you can also get a bushy type of macro algae such as Cheatomorpha ("Cheato") and put a few balls of it between the crevices of your LR, behind it, etc.
If you want a "ghetto" HOB fuge, get a HOB power filter, empty it out (no media) and add a good wad of cheato in it. Pods will breed, fish can't get them. Every so often, when you prune the cheato, pull the entire wad out and swish it into the DT to release the pods, pinch off what you want and put the rest back into the "fuge".
Finally, live phyto is really great food for pods. However, stay with Tetraselmis or Isochrysis as Nannochloropsis has a very thick cell wall and isn't eaten by pods. You can also seed the tank with pods, but don't make the mistake of using Tigriopus californicus (Tigger pods). These are temperate water pods that don't reproduce well at tropical temps (all males are born and the culture will burn out). Better pods for this purpose are Pseudocyclops
sp. (a swarming pod) or Tisbe sp. (a benthic pod).
 

willie

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here is a look at my sump. the area beside the skimmer that is full of rock is what I am thinking about turning into the fuge. Here is the plan I want to remove the majority of the rock and put that in the chamber beside it. I will leave the5 inch sand bed and put a bunch of cheato and a light. It is a small chamber but better than nothing until i can fabricate something better. Sorry for the pics being less than awesome but my cabinet is very crowded and has limited access space. I will be honest, I hate my stand. whoever made it didnt think it through very far.

 
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saxman

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Unless you have a compelling reason for adding the 5" sand bed, just remove some of the rubble and add your wad of macro on top of it. A DSB that small basically gains you very little anerobic activity, if any.
JMHO
 

snakeblitz33

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I agree with sax on this one. DSBs are only effective at 6" in a display tank with a lot of surface area, or Really deep sand beds at 10+" are more effective than anything. With such a small area, a RDSB would only be effective at 15-20" to have any effect on reducing nitrates through anaerobic bacteria. It would be best to just do a couple inches of sand and add some macro on top of it.
 

willie

Member
new things growing and showing. I added a frag of gsp 8 days ago and now have gsp popping up in 4 different places on my rocks and just found a group of zoas on another rock.
 

willie

Member
My lawnmower blenny is an EATING MACHINE!!! I have green hair algae issues on some of my tonga rocks and all over the back glass. This dude just loves to eat it. He is turning into a little fat boy but he is making a big difference. I am sure that many of you have these fish and already know this but for those that dont, let me just say that they have a TON of personality, cool fish and alot of fun to watch, He follows my wife around as she looks at different parts of the tank, he is our buddy
I have started a 2 gallon dripper of mrs wages pickling lime in my sump.
There is red bubble algae starting to show up on some of the rocks, between this and the longer hair algae that my lawnmower doesnt seem to be interested in I think I might pick up a few more snails and an emerald crab or 2.
My rocks are really getting some cool colors on them plus I got a new camera so it time to post some pictures!



and finally this is Snuffy my favorite snail
 
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