Kenny Rogers

[devilboy]

I honestly feel you guys are really over reacting to this. He washed his hands and removed the "dirt" then he went on to pitch 8 innings of shut out baseball. So technically speaking if it was pine tar it didnt make him pitch any better now did it?? If the umpires thought he was breaking the rules they would have tossed him. in my eyes pine tar is not illegal. It is used for grip. Do you know that the rosin the pitchers use has pine tar in it?? so i guess everytime a pitcher goes to use the rosin bag he is cheating also.

 

[djm]

Originally Posted by ruaround
look at the helmets of batters... most of em are covered with pine tar...
Of course they are. Pine tar is completely legal as a grip agent for bats. I don't know if you've ever had the pleasure of coming into contact with pine tar, even accidently from a tree, but it is some seriously NASTY goo. It won't wash off with just soap and water- take my word on that. It only stands to reason that a batting helmet would have pine tar on it from the hands of a batter any time he touches his helmet.
The reason that MLB allows pine tar on bats is to counter the fact that wooden bats are as slippery as snot on a brass doorknob. I have no doubt that pine tar would give a pitcher a HUGE advantage. But I have never personally seen any proof that a batter could ever gain an advantage, even if he coated his bat from head to toe in pine tar.

 

[djm]

Do you know that the rosin the pitchers use has pine tar in it?? QUOTE]
Actually, rosin IS pine tar- only not in semi-liquid form. Rosin is solid. It is crushed and placed into bags for the pitchers. If a pitcher's hand gets sweaty enough, rosin dust can come only CLOSE to actual pine tar once it adheres to a sweaty palm. What was the temperature that night? How effective would rosin have been?
HHHMMMMMMMMMM????????

 

[ruaround]

so you have just supported what i said... pine tar is all over... and there could be a chance that Rogers sat down and there was some on a the bench... and if he washed his hands with soap and water youre saying it wouldnt have come off that easy... and there should have been residue on his hand for the remainder of the game...

 

[djm]

Originally Posted by ruaround
so you have just supported what i said... pine tar is all over... and there could be a chance that Rogers sat down and there was some on a the bench... and if he washed his hands with soap and water youre saying it wouldnt have come off that easy... and there should have been residue on his hand for the remainder of the game...
LOL I'm not taking either side. Especially when it concerns "what if's". I mean, what if I shook your hand and woke up with a cold the next morning? Does that mean you gave me a cold?
I like the way the media picked up on it and showed Kenny's hand from several different games with the exact same spot on the heel of his palm. It is VERY suspect. Does it prove anything?????
AND pine tar is found on bats, batting gloves, and helmets. NONE of which any player ever wears in the dugout on the bench.

 

[hagfish]

Originally Posted by DevilBoy
I honestly feel you guys are really over reacting to this. He washed his hands and removed the "dirt" then he went on to pitch 8 innings of shut out baseball. So technically speaking if it was pine tar it didnt make him pitch any better now did it?? If the umpires thought he was breaking the rules they would have tossed him. in my eyes pine tar is not illegal. It is used for grip. Do you know that the rosin the pitchers use has pine tar in it?? so i guess everytime a pitcher goes to use the rosin bag he is cheating also.
In your eyes it's not illegal? The rule is very clear that no foreign substance is allowed on the hand. So he broke the rule. That's all there is to it.
Now if Pujols came out and broke his bat in the first inning and there happened to be cork in it but they didn't throw him out for it and then he goes 4-4 the rest of the game with a different bat do you say the cork must not have helped that much so it's OK?
Now I wouldn't have a problem with them making pine tar legal. But it's not. So he clearly broke the rules. And he should have been penalized for it.

 

[lovethesea]

also, please remember back 2 years ago to Julian Travarez.......they took his hat because the other team didn't like the way he kept adjusting it. The umpires confiscated it, took him out of the game, suspended 10 days and fined him. PLUS.............NOTHING was found on his hat.
So, please explain how something SO obvious and very well placed on his hand (even in the past) could go without investigation?? IMO, this will always be over his head and quite frankly I hope it is for the rest of his career. Just as corking with Sosa, and any other player that has tried to win by flat out breaking the rules.

 

[lovethesea]

oh I almost forgot..............
GO CARDS !!!!!