Lawyers are complete dirtbags!!!

crimzy

Active Member
(Insert your lawyer joke here)
Of course everyone likes to poke fun at attorneys, which is fine, but you all don't even know the half of it...
I am, for the most part, a pretty straightforward attorney. I tend to be an aggressive litigator, but I am professional, respectful, and a good advocate for my clients. What's annoying me right now is this...
I have a client who owns an auto parts supplier. My client, like thousands of others, has lost their business due to the downturn of the big 3. Anyway, my client is no longer in operation... I am defending them in about 6 different lawsuits, most of which are over 6 figures. My client is liquidating all assets (which are just receivables) and using those to pay the secured and unsecured creditors. The only purpose to my defense is to prevent the creditor from coming in, taking a judgment, and garnishing the accounts where the liquidated assets are being held pending the distribution to creditors. I have explained the situation to all of the opposing attorneys and my client has agreed to GIVE them judgments for the full amount of their claims with the only condition that they cannot proceed with post-judgment collection (garnishments) until 90 days have passed. By that time the liquidation will be complete and it won't matter.
So in comes a particularly large (and scummy) firm that I have dealt with many times before. I explain to the young attorney what's going on and offer to give her the same type of judgment that I've given everyone else. Well being a young attorney, whose advancement is dependant ONLY on billable hours, she rejects my offer and instead files a 218 page motion for summary judgment.

It really doesn't matter to me what happens here... there's no reason for me to even answer the motion. By the time that it gets heard and they could garnish, the liquidation will be over anyway. But what really annoys me is this firm's blatant disregard of what's in its client's best interest and instead sucking as much blood from it's client as possible. The reality is that regardless of whether the attorney spend 5 minutes or 50 hours on this file, it won't have ANY AFFECT on the recovery for the client. Unsecured creditors are all getting their pro rata portion of the liquidation assets.
What a waste...

Just my rant.
 

bigarn

Active Member
You're absolutely right .... Lawyers are dirt bags!

J/K crimz ... I may need your services when you become a Mod.
 

reefraff

Active Member
My wife spent over 18 years working for a defense firm. You wouldn't believe the stories of stupidity she call tell. Now she works for an company that does risk management and litigation work for the health care industry and the stories just get better and better.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/3019462
It is a good laugh when the one the lawyer is really sticking it to is their client .
But every so often you have a client that will deserve to have it stuck to them. Back in the 80's I had a lawyer tell me about one case where the insurance company offered a settlement to a woman for something like 55% of policy limits. Wasn't enough so they (her and her hubby) went out and hired a lawyer. This guy was the lawyer they hired. He advised them to just pay him for his consultation time and take the settlement. But Nooooooooo, they wanted to go to court. He was a nice guy and broke out the calculator and explained the cold hard reality to them. Even if they went to court and won the max they would end up with about what the insurance was offering after paying fees and costs.
 

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3019490
But every so often you have a client that will deserve to have it stuck to them. Back in the 80's I had a lawyer tell me about one case where the insurance company offered a settlement to a woman for something like 55% of policy limits. Wasn't enough so they (her and her hubby) went out and hired a lawyer. This guy was the lawyer they hired. He advised them to just pay him for his consultation time and take the settlement. But Nooooooooo, they wanted to go to court. He was a nice guy and broke out the calculator and explained the cold hard reality to them. Even if they went to court and won the max they would end up with about what the insurance was offering after paying fees and costs.
This is exactly my point... the attorney you mentioned gave sound legal/financial advice to the client without regard to his own financial gain. This is the same advice that I would and do give when I think it's not going to be good business to pay me a chunk of money for a certain matter. My frustration is when the attorneys disregard what's in their client's best interests, line their pockets, and the client never knows that they got taken. I find this to be unethical (though it's not technically violative of the rules of ethics). As an advocate and a fiduciary, I think our primary responsibility SHOULD be to serve our clients and give sound advice. If the clients don't want to follow said advice, that's their prerogative...
 

briand7878

Member
Ok ill go with the old standard lawyer joke.... What do you call 1,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start... yeah booo hissss i know
But as a cop I will say I do hate lawyers.

But I will vote for you as mod.

P.S. My post count hasnt moved in a long time even though I post. Anyone know why?
 

bionicarm

Active Member
So what would be the legalities, or ethics, of you doing an end-around on this young lawyer pup and contacting thier client to inform them of their options? If they knew how much money they're wasting on this firm filing this useless motion, they may tell them to take a hike.
 

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3020254
So what would be the legalities, or ethics, of you doing an end-around on this young lawyer pup and contacting thier client to inform them of their options? If they knew how much money they're wasting on this firm filing this useless motion, they may tell them to take a hike.
I would be committing a major ethical violation by contacting a client direct, who is represented by an attorney. It would be a fine and even possibly a suspension for me. Nope... I just have to sit and laugh at the stupid client being taken for a ride.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/3019706
This is exactly my point... the attorney you mentioned gave sound legal/financial advice to the client without regard to his own financial gain. This is the same advice that I would and do give when I think it's not going to be good business to pay me a chunk of money for a certain matter. My frustration is when the attorneys disregard what's in their client's best interests, line their pockets, and the client never knows that they got taken. I find this to be unethical (though it's not technically violative of the rules of ethics). As an advocate and a fiduciary, I think our primary responsibility SHOULD be to serve our clients and give sound advice. If the clients don't want to follow said advice, that's their prerogative...
There is this obscure archaic concept, that I think perfectly addresses the poor clients situation. It is called the Golden Rule. It would solve a lot of our problems.
 

uneverno

Active Member
I think Shakespeare said it best in Hamlet: "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

K, that's my dig. I've actually had great experiences w/ lawyers myself.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
everyone hates lawyers untill they need one.
when i left my business partner my attourney told me lets settle this fast because he knew the expartner was going to go out of business without me there and we had almost $800,000 in assets .he said i would love to take a wad of cash and persue this but i dont think its worth your money.
very rare honest lawyer.
well i submitted what i wanted and got most of it ,i just wanted out.
last i heard his lawyer has been busy with some 6 figure lawsuits against him.
lucky he married into money to pay the attourney.
so there are a few good ones out there
 

nordy

Active Member
Good thread Crimzy! I think the essence of your point is that a lawyer does not have to cheat and mislead a client to make money and that there should be plenty of work out there for the honest and ethical practioners to be able to make a good living without being an unethical scumbag.
I make a decent living with my handyman and home repair business and have a lot of regular clients who call me regularly and just ask me to take care of something for them and they don't ask the price anymore because they know that I will treat them fairly. yet, I hear many horror stories of other contractors who mislead, cheat, or mistreat their customers or outright steal from them, and it drives me crazy! I have more work than I can possibly handle without working 7 days a week (helps with the reef tan!) becuas eI could not live with myself if I cheated a customer.
P.S. I do not think most lawyers are chaets and scumbags, I think that most are pretty ethical types but the bad ones can so mess up someones life if they want to.
 
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