Levels have shot up

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rkhlk

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In the past week my levels have all shot up. The only thing I have done is a water top off. Ammonia level is now 2.0. Nitrate is went from 0 to 5.0, and Nitrate is now 80 ppm. What can I do to keep my levels steady? Also what is a good light cycle right now its 14 hours on and 10 off for a fish only tank.
55 gal
no light
2 clownfish
5 damsels
1 coral beauty
1 blackcap basslet
1 cc starfish
Thanks
rkhlk
 
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thomas712

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14 hours of lighitng is rather long. 8 to 12 is more the norm.
How old is the tank and is it cycled?
Your sig says 55 gallon no light :confused: 9 fish in a 55 is also a bit much. Everything still alive? That ammonia is deadly and at that level you could loose some fish.
Water top off with what kind of water?
 
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rkhlk

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All the fish are relatively small except for 1 of the clownfish (Clarki Clown) The tank has been for about a month. and about 2 weeks before any fish were added.
 
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rkhlk

Guest
with tap water but with a tap water filter brought at local fish store I might add that i have well water
 

balistidae

Member
woah man you added WAY to large of a bioload WAY to early...your best bet would be to take almost everything back to the LFS except maybe a damsel or two. You need to let your bacteria catch up with your bioload. I would return almost everything and follow it with a large water change....patience is key in this hobby
 
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thomas712

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Well bad things happen fast in this hobby and I think your headed for a bad thing. You haven't got the bio load yet for that amount of fish. Unless you bought the tank already established then I doubt that you have even cycled.
Many would tell you that 9 fish would take 9 to 18 weeks to add to a system. One per week or every two weeks in order for the bacteria to catch up in order to handle the new load. 9 in two weeks and its no wonder your ammonia is at 2.0 and climbing.
If possable, I agree with taking the fish back, but while they are there you might as well keep a couple of the damsels to complete the cycle that you will be going through. Now that you have challenged that cycle with the addition of the fish and the ammonia is established it can take up to 4 to 6 weeks to cycle. Less if you used live rock and live sand.
Let us know if you have anymore quetions.
Thomas
 
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rkhlk

Guest
OK I jumped into this way to fast and I don't want do anymore damage I'm gonna get rid of some of my fish and get some books. mean while can someone explain the "cycle" and how it works.
Anybody in the southern Maryland area lookin for some fish e-mail me rkhlk@aol.com
rkhlk
 

lesleybird

Active Member
I agree, You needed to cycle the tank for a couple of months with just a couple of fish. You might want to purchase a bottle of benificial bacteria to add to the tank to help with the cycle. I would take the fish back. You can cycle a thank with just fish food feeding the tank for a month or two like it had fish in it. I think I would take the poor fish back until the nitrates are lower or you may loose them all. If you plan to keep a couple of fish I would do a couple of 30 percent water changes a couple of days apart to reduce the nitrates for the couple of fish you keep. Just don't vaccuum the gravel and you will not be removing too much of the good bacteria. You did not mention if you had any live rock or not, and if you had cured it? Good luck, Lesley
 
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thomas712

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First of all I disagree with doing water changes during the cycle, only after the cycle is complete should you do a water change.
The nitrogen cycle is a chain reaction resulting in the birth of various types of nitrifying bacterias, each with their own job to do. Each new bacteria born consumes the previous one, and in turn gives birth to the next bacteria. The three components involved to make this happen are ammonia (NH3 or NH3+4), nitrites (NO2), and nitrates (NO3). The "cycle" begins when bacteria converts fish waste, excess aquarium food or other organic matter into ammonia. The ammonia is converted to nitrites by nitrifying bacteria, nitrosomonas. Nitrites are then converted to nitrates by another nitrifying bacteria, nitrobacters, which are the good kind of bacteria you want in the end. In general the nitrogen cycling process usually takes about 30 days or more, but there is no exact time frame for this process to complete its task, as each aquarium is different. Factors such as how many fish or other marine animals and how much organic matter is in the tank can vary the completion time, one way or the other. Testing your aquarium water during cycling is very important, as this will tell you what phase the aquarium is in at any given time throughout the process.
The Three Components & Phases
Phase One - Ammonia (NH3 or NH3+4)
The first component needed in the chain is ammonia, and it is only during the cycling process that ammonia readings should be present in an aquarium. Once ammonia begins to accumulate in the aquarium the process begins. So, where do you get the ammonia from? Any time you add live animals, live rock, or organic matter to an aquarium, ammonia will result. Putting live animals into a tank for the purpose of cycling is not easy, because they are exposed to highly toxic levels of ammonia and nitrities during the process, but without ammonia present the cycle cannot begin. If ammonia is removed, or the supply is disrupted during cycling, the process stops. As you see the ammonia level rise during the cycling period, if you think by adding an ammonia destroyer or doing a water change to bring it down is helping, it doesn't! You are only delaying the cycling process and preventing it from completing its mission. If you use fish to cycle an aquarium, it's a catch 22! You don't want to put the animals in harms way by exposing them to toxic elements, but you need their waste as the ammonia source to get the job done. This can also be done by using a dead raw shrimp which I prefer as a cycle method.
Hope that explans it.
Thomas
 
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rkhlk

Guest
Thomas,
Thank you for all your help and time, you obviously know your fish. Actually I'm coming to Michigan next week (Port Huron) for a family reunion can I bring you some fish? Just kidding. But Once again thank you and I will get my nose in some books before I continue.
Thanks
rkhlk:D
 
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