LFS in Northampton,Pa running Copper in Their System

wangotango

Active Member
i dont see what the facts are. if a lfs runs copper in their fish-only system, that doesnt make them a bad lfs. infact i would rather have the fish be treated than have them come home and wipe out my tank. running a UV sterilizer for an entire lfs fish system will just be too costly. im not saying that it is 100% necessary to run copper, ive seen very healthy fish in lfs that dont run it, but there is no way of knowing how healthy their next shipment will be.
-Justin
 

goldenboy

Member
I think the best question to ask is: why does morayeels always bash this lfs. He seems to love the lf in Allentown so much, and yet he keeps going back to the Northampton one? I remember a previous post you started not to long ago bashing this lfs. Yet you keep going back? I go to many lfs' even the one in Allentown (which you probably work for or know someone), and the one in Northampton seems to be the best for livestock selection and prices...
 

morayeels

Member
Goldenboy
ILike I said im not bashing this shop. I just giving a heads up to buyers. I shop at all kinds of shops and treat them equal. The shop in Northampton I feel is not the best shop for corals and live stock. I fact I like the fish place in lancaster, pa. The shop in Allentown is a lot better then the one in northampton. The tanks are copper free and the corals are much nice now thats just my opinion. The corals in northampton never look so hot to me they always have browning on them and the fish always looks sick to me. I know several people who have purchased fish there and they wiped out there entire tank.
 

morayeels

Member
If i was to bash any shop it would be Petsplus in Quakertown,Pa. Now I would not even purchase a fish or coral there if they were the last shop on earth. Their stuff S**** big time.
 

lion_crazz

Active Member
Calling a person "dumb dumb" (a post that was deleted) and saying the quote below is bashing. It is no longer informing people of something that is not even an issue anyway.
When you have a shop like the one in Northampton that runs copper in with seahorses they should be shut down and not allowed to re open.
 

goldenboy

Member
About a 6 weeks ago I bought an achilles tang from ECA in Southampton. They run copper in their fish tanks as do many other lfs'. Needless to say, after hyposalinity and proper acclimation, this fish is healthy in my display tank. There is no worries for copper, if you acclimate properly with a qt tank. As for people who like to just cut the bag open and dump them in their display tank, they get what they deserve....
 
Originally Posted by morayeels
Goldenboy
. I know several people who have purchased fish there and they wiped out there entire tank.
this wouldnt have happened if they quarantine
 
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davidmwj

Guest

Originally Posted by goldenboy
About a 6 weeks ago I bought an achilles tang from ECA in Southampton. They run copper in their fish tanks as do many other lfs'. Needless to say, after hyposalinity and proper acclimation, this fish is healthy in my display tank. There is no worries for copper, if you acclimate properly with a qt tank. As for people who like to just cut the bag open and dump them in their display tank, they get what they deserve.
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I disagree. I used to dump my bag in when I first started in this hobby. If a shop uses copper, then they damn well better tell the customer and tell him not to dump the water in his/her tank. How is someone new to the hobby going to know better if the lfs doesn't tell them???
 

lion_crazz

Active Member
Well, now we are getting into the responsibility argument. Is it the responsibility of the person at the LFS to ask what size is the person's tank, what do they have in their tank, how long their tank has been set-up, when was the last time a water change is done, what are the water levels, what they feed their fish, what kind of filtration they have, etc. Should a person who works in the LFS tell every single person he or she helps how to acclimate a fish? Should they also say that every fish needs to be quarantined? There would be a lot of unreceptive and unhappy people if the person catching the fish were to say that they fish needs to be drip acclimated for 2 to 4 hours and needs to be quarantined for 3 to 4 weeks. Furthermore, this entire process would take too long and there are too many customers at some shops without enough employees to do this with each customer. Where is the line drawn? Should this process also be done with the mother and father who come into to buy fish for their child's 30 gallon freshwater fish tank?
There are a lot of issues where I am SURE the person working at the LFS would love to speak up and say something. Take for instance feeder fish. Everyone who works at reputable LFS' know that feeder fish are not good sources of food for any fish (oscars or lionfish, respectively). They cause disease in both fish (hole in head for cichlids, fatty liver disease for saltwater). However, if the person were to tell the customer that or refuse to sell them the feeders, they would just go somewhere else and spend their money somewhere else where they will sell them the feeders without the speech. The same issue with live damsels to cycle a tank. The employee can tell the customer that it is not good to cycle a tank with fish, but the majority of the people out there WANT to see something in their tank. They do not care that it is not right - it is their tank and their money. How do you deal with something like that? Do you turn away the customer by making them mad when all they asked for was some damsels?
For a lot of people, ignorance is truly bliss. Just look at some of the responses even on this message board. There are a ton of people who refuse to set up a 10 gallon quarantine tank to quarantine new additions even after they continue to lose fish after fish to disease. Many people would rather dump a 25 dollar bottle of "medication" in their tank than to correct the problem rightfully. Can you imagine how many people would leave the LFS unahppy and refusing to come back if all sales associates told them that all animals need to be quarantined. The ones who know nothing about the hobby would think that the stores fish are all sick and would not understand that a parasite can be there without seeing it initially.
Shouldn't the customer ask the questions that they are not sure about? This is a live animal that they are taking home. A person wouldn't just buy a dog or cat without knowing anything about it. Why would they buy a fish that way?
 
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davidmwj

Guest
I agree with your points, but I don't think you can lump copper in with that. If someone is going home with a bag of invert poison they should at least be told not to dump in in their tank. How can you expect someone to assume that they might get something poisonous for their fish tank from the fish tank store? The LFS' in my area tell me not to dump the water in my tank because they use copper and of course I wanted to know why and they explained it to me. I don't have a problem with a store using copper, but they should inform the customer.
That being said, Lion, some months back when I had an Ich problem in my tank I purchased Stop Parasite based on a recommendation you made to someone else on these boards. That saved my fish, and I haven't had Ich since. So, thank you ,and I respect your opinion, but I still believe people need to know if they are bringing home copper.
Dave
 

scotts

Active Member
Mods, you may edit this how you see fit or delete it if you wish to. I have not been following the ongoing saga of bad mouthing this lfs, but IMO there is at best a conflict of interest. Here are some comments from the original poster about keeping his shark in a 90.
My friend has a LFS and there are always rich people coming in looking for nice size sharks. So when the shark reaches a nice size I can always return it and start over againg with a little one.

Its nice to have friend that you can do this with. Its like raising a shark for sale later for someone who has a huge tank set-up.
Now if I had a friend that owned a LFS, I would not shop anywhere else. However it does appear to an outsider looking at this that this could be a way to promote business for his friend's lfs. You don't have to mention the particular store, just say that all of the other stores in the area are awful.
As long as I am on my soap box I hove to point out how right Lioncraz is about getting a fish. You do not get a puppy from the pound and turn it back in when the puppy breath is gone. Do not get a fish and plan to turn it in when it outgrows your tank.
Just my $0.02.
Scott
 

goldenboy

Member
I have always looked at it like the lfs I was buying my livestock from had poisonous water. This way none of it would be allowed into my tank. When I buy livestock I make sure no water gets in my tank.
 

ophiura

Active Member
Originally Posted by ViPeR_930
How so? If anything, the copper helps the fish not kills it.
By the way, why do you shop there if you don't like it? You've been bad-mouthing this same store for over 2 years now.

Using several different names on this board, it has actually gone on longer, including having several "conversations" with supposed other posters, that in fact have turned out to be one in the same person.
I am fine with a conversation about the merits of running copper in systems, have fun (many stores do, big deal).
But this is a warning that any future posts about this store will (as they always have been) be deleted and that the behavior is unwelcome. I have no patience for such games.
If your friend's store is so great, and the other so terrible, people would know it anyway. Apparently this is not the case.
 
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