mavis1032
Member
Has anybody seen this video? This is why you should never let your livestock loose in the ocean...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...62218#25462218
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...62218#25462218
Lion Fish invading the Atlantic???
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mavis1032
Member
Originally Posted by ca161406
http:///forum/post/2722296
o my thats a lot of lions...
u should a put the advisory b4 the video lol i was like wat is that? lol i see no fishies
Yeah... Sorry, I didn't think the ad would copy.
http:///forum/post/2722296
o my thats a lot of lions...
u should a put the advisory b4 the video lol i was like wat is that? lol i see no fishies
Yeah... Sorry, I didn't think the ad would copy.
srfisher17
Active Member
I've been following this for a while. IMO, this issue will be great fuel for all the crackpots that think our hobby shouldn't exist at all and all "wild creatures" should be left alone. Watch a few ignorant politicians try to stop the importing of any exotic species because of this. Years ago, importing piranhas was banned, until it was shown that released piranhas couldn't survive a North American winter. Lionfish can survive in our water and this is going to be a big deal for us, IMO.
fraggle_a
Member
Hey, if these guys are getting so abundant... Why am I still paying $40 for them!?
;-)
Yea, this happens.
I think there was a case of some wild critter in the australian coast getting loose and going nuts.
I dont see it threatening the hobby though.
So a few fish are getting eaten... still no where near the damage we do as a species.
;-)
Yea, this happens.
I think there was a case of some wild critter in the australian coast getting loose and going nuts.
I dont see it threatening the hobby though.
So a few fish are getting eaten... still no where near the damage we do as a species.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by Fraggle_a
http:///forum/post/2722562
Hey, if these guys are getting so abundant... Why am I still paying $40 for them!?
;-)
Yea, this happens.
I think there was a case of some wild critter in the australian coast getting loose and going nuts.
I dont see it threatening the hobby though.
So a few fish are getting eaten... still no where near the damage we do as a species.
I like my spot at the top of the food chain. I don't think the lionfish invasion is any big deal; in the big scheme of things. But as long as we have teachers telling kids that re-cycling newspaper helps save the tropical rain forests, anything can be the "cause" certain groups are looking for. There are plenty of groups, gaining political influence, that think nothing should be taken from "mother nature". Just listen to the intro to the video, right after the commercial... the very folks I'm talking about.
http:///forum/post/2722562
Hey, if these guys are getting so abundant... Why am I still paying $40 for them!?
;-)
Yea, this happens.
I think there was a case of some wild critter in the australian coast getting loose and going nuts.
I dont see it threatening the hobby though.
So a few fish are getting eaten... still no where near the damage we do as a species.
I like my spot at the top of the food chain. I don't think the lionfish invasion is any big deal; in the big scheme of things. But as long as we have teachers telling kids that re-cycling newspaper helps save the tropical rain forests, anything can be the "cause" certain groups are looking for. There are plenty of groups, gaining political influence, that think nothing should be taken from "mother nature". Just listen to the intro to the video, right after the commercial... the very folks I'm talking about.
rldavisou
Member
I can see where the "environmentalists" are coming from. These fish are doing massive damage to the ecosystem, and something must be done to stop that damage. That being said, this story shows that aquarists are not to blame for the problem. We, as a group, are very aware of the impact we have on the environment and we work hard to police ourselves. We have countless organizations constantly promoting responsibility, on both side of the industry, not only specimen collection but also husbandry. For congress to punish us for the result of an unavoidable natural disaster would be not only unfair, but also unreasonable. We have a long track record of responsibility. There is absolutely no need for legislation limiting imports of aquaria.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by rldavisou
http:///forum/post/2722885
I can see where the "environmentalists" are coming from. These fish are doing massive damage to the ecosystem, and something must be done to stop that damage. That being said, this story shows that aquarists are not to blame for the problem. We, as a group, are very aware of the impact we have on the environment and we work hard to police ourselves. We have countless organizations constantly promoting responsibility, on both side of the industry, not only specimen collection but also husbandry. For congress to punish us for the result of an unavoidable natural disaster would be not only unfair, but also unreasonable. We have a long track record of responsibility. There is absolutely no need for legislation limiting imports of aquaria.
Very true! But, as people keeping defenseless animals in captivity, we're an easy, accessible target.
http:///forum/post/2722885
I can see where the "environmentalists" are coming from. These fish are doing massive damage to the ecosystem, and something must be done to stop that damage. That being said, this story shows that aquarists are not to blame for the problem. We, as a group, are very aware of the impact we have on the environment and we work hard to police ourselves. We have countless organizations constantly promoting responsibility, on both side of the industry, not only specimen collection but also husbandry. For congress to punish us for the result of an unavoidable natural disaster would be not only unfair, but also unreasonable. We have a long track record of responsibility. There is absolutely no need for legislation limiting imports of aquaria.
Very true! But, as people keeping defenseless animals in captivity, we're an easy, accessible target.
fraggle_a
Member
Well yea.
I can see that too.
I mean.
Every time there is a dog attack, you get some liberal minded loon calling for tougher restrictions on these "dangerouse" animals.
Theres always someone out there who doesnt understand, and so calls for an end of when they dont like.... Happens all the time.
I tell my friends that there are a lot more correls in the world right now because of the reefers and fraggers!!.
If met Fraggers who grow local correls on in their tanks, frag them and reintroduce them to the sea.
I dont see a multi-million dollar business being threatened like that. Even if it were, its only the one country. So the whole thing just gets pushed underground.
I can see that too.
I mean.
Every time there is a dog attack, you get some liberal minded loon calling for tougher restrictions on these "dangerouse" animals.
Theres always someone out there who doesnt understand, and so calls for an end of when they dont like.... Happens all the time.
I tell my friends that there are a lot more correls in the world right now because of the reefers and fraggers!!.
If met Fraggers who grow local correls on in their tanks, frag them and reintroduce them to the sea.
I dont see a multi-million dollar business being threatened like that. Even if it were, its only the one country. So the whole thing just gets pushed underground.
lrightmwrong
New Member
Oh my... THAT'S not good. We were just off the Keys over the Penenkoff (sp?) Reef and we didn't see ANY.
Kind of shocking they're only traced back to 6 or 7 original fish...
Kind of shocking they're only traced back to 6 or 7 original fish...
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by LrightMwrong
http:///forum/post/2723647
Oh my... THAT'S not good. We were just off the Keys over the Penenkoff (sp?) Reef and we didn't see ANY.
Kind of shocking they're only traced back to 6 or 7 original fish...
May not even be fish or hobbiests involved. A ship taking on ballast water at just the right time could easily take in a bunch of larval fish, or anything in the plankton soup that exists all over every ocean.....although I would expect idiot hobbiests trying to do the right thing to be at the root of all this.
http:///forum/post/2723647
Oh my... THAT'S not good. We were just off the Keys over the Penenkoff (sp?) Reef and we didn't see ANY.
Kind of shocking they're only traced back to 6 or 7 original fish...
May not even be fish or hobbiests involved. A ship taking on ballast water at just the right time could easily take in a bunch of larval fish, or anything in the plankton soup that exists all over every ocean.....although I would expect idiot hobbiests trying to do the right thing to be at the root of all this.