liverock for sale-----cheap

[scook10]

I felt I had to post the last few e-mails between ne and the seller. If a buyer pays via PAYPAL the deal is done. The seller should NEVER keep trying to sell the product. I remember in some of the earlier posts the seller talks about wanting to get rid of all his stuff since he is moving, I hope he ships everything before he moves. I know by posting this message along with the e-mails I will be starting a war and I'm willing to take the heat for that. This is the reason I felt I should post the e-mails. I originally had first post regarding the product then everyone jumped in offering more, I don't even care, I just hope people are going to get what they pay for. If this seller wanted to "auction" his LR he should have went to the "bay". These are just my thoughts and even though I don't know the original buyer, Chuck, I hope this works out for him.

 

[chucks]

HMMMMMM!!!! Interesting.
I sure hope all goes well
I will let you know As soon as I know.
Chuck

 

[urface]

Just making sure we are all on the same page. I am looking to maybe get things from this guy once I figure out what he has and the such, bu if I am correct, the lr is paid for and it's still being offered for sale?
Today, 04:34 AM
newbiereef
29gal, 120 gal Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: stafford, va
Posts: 185
i have a 129 with 175#LR and 120#LS, and full cleanup crew. only problem is its 60"x18"x26"
If I am wrong, I will come out and say it, but just making sure chuck gets what he paid for since he was first and paid.

 

[chucks]

Well... Just to follow up on this tranaction. Let me sum it up the deal was
not worth a D*%n. Got this story about how his wife had already sold the rock
and he did not know it. Then when I told him that i understood and just told
him to refund my money. This is when it went all to hell. He told me that he
had already spent the money and did not have it to refund to me and that he
did not know when he would have it. Then he did refund me 95.00 out of
$300.00 on June 7, and I have not recieved anything since then but a bunch of
(in my opinion) BS. I see that he has still tried to purchase items on this board
since all this started. This guy intended to rip me off from the get go and I have
had enough I have filed with paypal, and have also filed a Internet Fraud claim
against him. I am going to contact the local authorities in his home town tommorrow
(Monday July, 25) if the money is not in my paypal accouint tonight. So all I can say
is BUYERS BEWARE OF THIS SELLER.
To be continued...
Chuck

 

[scubadoo]

Chuck..report this guy here too...
http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

 

[scubadoo]

Chuck...here is a listing of the FBI Ofices in FLorida. I am not certain which one is closest to you. They can network with the office by the seller. COntact the state attorney generals office in the state where this guy lives. They usually have an economic crime unit and internet fraud unit.
FBI Jacksonville
Suite 200
7820 Arlington Expressway
Jacksonville, Florida 32211-7499
jacksonville.fbi.gov
(904) 721-1211
FBI North Miami Beach
16320 Northwest Second Avenue
North Miami Beach, Florida 33169-6508
miami.fbi.gov
(305) 944-9101
FBI Tampa
Room 610, FOB
500 Zack Street
Tampa, Florida 33602-3917
tampa.fbi.gov
(813) 273-4566
I'd refund the money tonight if I were you Mr Newbiereef. You will have a whole lotta trouble coming your way.

 

[urface]

Chuck,
He contacted me stating that the rock that was sold to you was refunded due to a local buyer and his desire not wanting to ship. He then mentioned that the local buyer did not work out what so ever. SO I was going to follow up on this deal and get a bunch of goods for myself since no one worked out. Haggled a little, set a deal and a day. Well, right before the day he told me his wife has told him not to sell any of it. So I think he still has it all. Point being, if you need a witness please contact me. I don't have anything left email wise, but I could always check. Also, on Yahoo IM his name is th_lawns so keep an eye out.

 

[jer4916]

To whom ever this may concern:
If you paid this guy with paypal ...there suit will take a week or so and you should get your money back ...if you dont, you can file a suit with your credit card/debt card and they will go after pay pal for the money since pay pal is supposed to pay you back. I had the same thing happen to me with a dead beat from who i purchased a bmw part for like $500 ....
so dont stress to much you'll get your money back, and the deadbeat will go to jail.
happened to my guy
best of luck
~chris

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Jer4916
To whom ever this may concern:
If you paid this guy with paypal ...there suit will take a week or so and you should get your money back ...if you dont, you can file a suit with your credit card/debt card and they will go after pay pal for the money since pay pal is supposed to pay you back. I had the same thing happen to me with a dead beat from who i purchased a bmw part for like $500 ....
so dont stress to much you'll get your money back, and the deadbeat will go to jail.
happened to my guy
best of luck
~chris
This is not at all how Paypal works. In order to get your money back the transaction has to fall within the Paypal user agreement guidelines. It is not this simple and this is flat out bad information.
Chuck, check the Paypal user agreement and see if this transaction falls under their buyer protection program...I doubt that it does. You can contest the charge with your credit card bank if you used your credit card. This will work once as your bank probably will give you the money back but Paypal will close your account as this is a violation of their user agreement...imagine that. You have fewer rights using Paypal. I've been on that big auction site buying and selling and have been ripped off both as a buyer and a seller and no refund back from Paypal. YOU must follow their user agreement EXACTLY.
Please do not post that CHuck will get his money via Paypal...that is simply not true and not easy to get back from Paypal. If you used another source besides a credit card to pay for the live rock then doubtful you will get money back from Paypal.
The seller should not think that paypal will give Chuck his money...therefore he does not have too.
Report this individual using the link I previouly posted and also give the local fbi office a call.
Save all your emails and print them out with the "headers" on. They may also ask you to foward the emails to the office where the seller lives. if so forward them with headers on.
Printout a copy of the thread where he advertised this live rock for sale. SAve ALL your correspondence.

 

[chucks]

ScubaDoo,
Thanks for all the information, I have filed with the link you gave me above
and also had already filed with paypal. I did not use a CC to pay through paypal
i used my bank account. I know that i will not get my money from paypal because
of there very tight user agreement. But however I will get it back either monitary
or watching this person go down by his local authorities. i have contacted the FBI
in Jacksonville and forwarded every email and post that was ever exchanged
between him and I. I have his address and his phone # so he will not get away with
ripping me off. I just got off the phone with them again and they are going to forward
everything to the Virginia bureau tommorrow.
urface,
If I need a witness I appreciate you coming forward and will contact you.
If there is one thing I can't stand... that is a fricking theif.
he even hangs up the phone on me now when I call.
All I want is my money, newbiereef (Herb) if you read this all you need to
do is pay me my money. It will be a hell of alot cheaper than... Well we will
see what happens.
Chuck

 

[scubadoo]

Chuck...here is the website for the Viginia Attorney General. Report this guy here too.
http://www.oag.state.va.us/

 

[meemmoo]

This guy sounds crooked. He gave me the run around for weeks and backed out buying my light saying he had no money and then told me he could get it and then another week went by and he said no his daughter trashed his tank.

 

[ssweet1]

These people are known frauds and use different names, unfortunately this site wont allow private messages or e-mails so I could not warn you guys. Mods should change this. This is a shame for crooked people to take advantage of others, their time will come though. I wish you all luck in getting your money back. Here in Florida you need to show police a pattern of fraud and then they will get involved. Otherwise it is just a civil suit and nothing gets done. Good Luck, Carrie

 

[cynelson]

I bought a 125 setup from him. I went to his house, gave him 1/2 the money, went to his house the next weekend to pick it up and everything was so green you couldn't see thru it and about 175 lbs of liverock was missing! I thought maybe I was mistaken (being new at the sw hobby), But I know after being at his house, the only tank he had remaining (and as he told me) was the 29 gallon, but all of a sudden immediatly after that, low and behold! a new thread from him selling 175 lbs of live rock! BTW all of the livestock died and one of the protein skimmers I got from him blew water everywhere! And that was my first experience on swf.com classifieds. nice, huh?!

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by cynelson
I bought a 125 setup from him. I went to his house, gave him 1/2 the money, went to his house the next weekend to pick it up and everything was so green you couldn't see thru it and about 175 lbs of liverock was missing! I thought maybe I was mistaken (being new at the sw hobby), But I know after being at his house, the only tank he had remaining (and as he told me) was the 29 gallon, but all of a sudden immediatly after that, low and behold! a new thread from him selling 175 lbs of live rock! BTW all of the livestock died and one of the protein skimmers I got from him blew water everywhere! And that was my first experience on swf.com classifieds. nice, huh?!
Please help the other folks as you witnessed what is going on. Call the sherriff as well...forget his name but I was at the website last night for Stafford.

 

[cynelson]

Hey Scuba! If you get the chance email me the info. I have no problem helping out after seeing the lr for sale! I'm so mad!

 

[cynelson]

sorry.....happy5446@comcast.net

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by cynelson
Hey Scuba! If you get the chance email me the info. I have no problem helping out after seeing the lr for sale! I'm so mad!
The lr was sold to another user but they did not receive all the rock. . GO look at the classifieds feedback thread as the buyer has posted there.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
The lr was sold to another user but they did not receive all the rock. . GO look at the classifieds feedback thread as the buyer has posted there.
The other preson besides Chuck

 

[urface]

Got a hold of him on yahoo yesterday. Stated that he is having a hard time right now. I then asked him why he was still trying to buy items and he said he thought he had the money. Also noted not to have hung up on chuck....his cell phone died. And he does not have you're number.
It's all a pile of poop to me. Paypal has the contact info.....how many times does a cell die on chance....why buy something if you can't even payback.....wish I would have saved it, but I clicked the wrong box....but go ahead and make a note that yesterday I was in contact with him.