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reefforbrains

reefforbrains

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2697934
Now that you mention it, the side profile shot does look alot like the 1979 Ferreri 308.
Blasphemy!!!!!!!
And from SoCal, jeeez man your a chevy man I thought I could depend on.
My neighbor was howling about his 308, I called it a "dog in a red dress". He threw down the gauntlet and wouldnt listen to me and INSISTED on being beaten.
Mine is nothing fancy compared to others but I adore her nonetheless. Needless to say it will walk all over a 308 to the point of making the comparison nothing short of an insult to a corvette owner.
 
reefforbrains

reefforbrains

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Oh yeah, and Tangman your off the pooplist again.....for now.
I am sure it wont be long before you post a pic of your new boat and you will be back pooplisted again.
-RFB
 
indyws6

indyws6

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TANGMAN99 - Greetings...
That 'Vette has the LS2, right? What kind of times were you able to get?
I took the GTO to O'Reilly Raceway Park (FKA Indianapolis Raceway Park) last fall for "Tueday Night Street Legals". The "drive by wire" and torque management functions (not traction control, that's something entirely different...) wouldn't let me get a proper launch RPM. If you try to hold your foot on the brake and build some RPM against the converter, the computer's torque management function senses a "non-standard" situation (trying to speed-up and slow down at the same time? what is this?...) and won't allow the throttle body to open. With your foot on the brake, you can literally mash the gas pedal to the floor and the engine will idle at about 1200 RPM. Releasing the brake lights 'em up, but you lose valuable tenth's in the process.
The nerve of that computer - thinking that it knows more about what I want than I do... There is a computer "tuning" session in my future...
Here are some shots. By the way, I massacred the Mini Van in the lane next to me


 
kogle

kogle

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That is a good looking Vette. I'm watering at the mouth to finally own one after all of the Camaro's I've had.
Might have to wait until next year though. I didn't really like the C6 when they came out but they've definitely grown on me and I think I'm going to have to have one.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by ReefForBrains
http:///forum/post/2698031
Blasphemy!!!!!!!
And from SoCal, jeeez man your a chevy man I thought I could depend on.
I simply noticed the common silhouette. You have to admit the lines are pretty close.
Although I am a Chevy man, my old man once told me
"it's not the car, it's they man that built it. I could have set records in an Olds or a Buick or a Ford..."
And while I enjoy pounding the streets in my five-seven, I also enjoy feeling the wind in my face cuz the top's down on my wife's BMW. (which is also fairly quick)
And for you vette enthusiasts, my 57 sports a 1971 vette 350 LT1 (a real LT1) Bow Tie motor. Balanced, punched to 355, Isky 280 Mega Cam, 208/165 valves in ported angle plug heads, Comp Cams conical valve springs, Rhoads lifters, Performer RPM intake w/Edelbrock 750carb, blah, blah, blah...
 
saltn00b

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hmm firebird nostalgia thread eh?
well my first car was a '95 firebird formula SS. 6 speed, LT1 corvette engine, skip shift eliminator, half sized cat coverter, and a flowmaster cat-back system. probably about 325 horseys and haulled arse! of course i wrecked it, balding back tires skidded me across wet traffic lanes into the center dividers on the florida turnpike, hitting it once in the front, then again in the back as momentum swung me around. i continued spinning and did a near perfect 360, with just enough steam left to limp it off the road to safety.
of course i was only allowed to get this because my dad's first car was a '67 GTO
ill see if i can find a pic...
 
aquaknight

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Very nice Tangman! My Dad drag raced Chevelles when he was young, only because Grandma said nothing fast, no Firebirds or Camaros, so he got a Chevelle. DD was a 1973, and the drag car was 1972. He sold the drag car when I born (he was only 22 at the time).
Since we're being nostalgic...
My first car, a 1995 Olds Aurora, bought in 2004. 4.0 liter V8 (later used in the Indy Car series). Not real fast, but fast enough. And the heated leather seats, on-board computer, and system I put in, had no problems getting looks.


Current whip, Cadillac Seville STS. Nice for what it is. 300hp V8 is awesome.

Looking to buy a 2006-2007 CTS-V in about a year, when the new 2009 CTS-V is released, and the prices of the previous model plummet....
 
saltn00b

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Originally Posted by indyws6
http:///forum/post/2698458
Wow - it's all about the 'Vette - it's ALWAYS about the 'Vette.
No love for the yellow GTO? C'mon

indy, i dont personally care for vettes too much and you GTO probably drives really nice, but in my opinion (and no offense to you about your ride at all) pontiac totally dropped the ball on the new design of the GTO. i feel it was a disgrace to the "goat" heritage. looks too much like some run of the mill grand am / grand prix ponti-crap garbage. a few years back i saw one of the first concepts for the new GTO prior to it's release. it looked like the already uber mean looking WS-1 ram Air firehawk on steroids. the concept looked so damn angry and powerful it was truly impressive and an attention grabber. i probably would be driving one now if they went that route instead of what was actually manifested.
 
jaymz

jaymz

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Originally Posted by saltn00b
http:///forum/post/2698502
indy, i dont personally care for vettes too much and you GTO probably drives really nice, but in my opinion (and no offense to you about your ride at all) pontiac totally dropped the ball on the new design of the GTO. i feel it was a disgrace to the "goat" heritage. looks too much like some run of the mill grand am / grand prix ponti-crap garbage. a few years back i saw one of the first concepts for the new GTO prior to it's release. it looked like the already uber mean looking WS-1 ram Air firehawk on steroids. the concept looked so damn angry and powerful it was truly impressive and an attention grabber. i probably would be driving one now if they went that route instead of what was actually manifested.
^^^ Agreed. as much as i like the pontiac muscle. the new GTO looks like a smooth bodied grand am. Not that i hate it, but It doesnt look muscle car to me. They dropped the firebird/trans am then when people started buying mustangs like crazy this was pontiacs response. not a good one
Dodge Charger same thing its a beefy sedan.
Just because the muscle car generation is growing up and having kids doesnt mean we want a wanna be muscle car we pick them up from school and get grocerys in. Thats what the SUV/MiniVan is for.
I do like the new dodge challenger tho
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by indyws6
http:///forum/post/2698458
Wow - it's all about the 'Vette - it's ALWAYS about the 'Vette.
No love for the yellow GTO? C'mon

Here's my 2¢ on the new GTO. It's a fantastic vehicle through and through. Great performance (the 05/06's) that will run circles around firebirds, camaros, and mustangs. People seem to get hung up on how they styled it. It, IMO, is a look towards the future of Pontiac. Clean and well styled vehicles. The Grand-Am/Bonneville constantly got RAILED for their tacky plastic styling. It's supposed to a bit upmarket from the cheap ponycars. Just like the original GTO. Fine leather seats, good Blaunkat radio, and super solid build quality.
I'd be all over a Brazen Orange '06 GTO if CTS-V prices weren't as freefall as they are.
Sorry, but you'll never loose this guy in a crowd

 
tangman99

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Wow! Lot's going on since I was on last. Let's see:
socal57che - Awesome vette, rockman.
That is definitely one sweet Vette!

ReefForBrains - Oh yeah, and Tangman your off the pooplist again.....for now.
I am sure it wont be long before you post a pic of your new boat and you will be back pooplisted again.
No boats for me. Lot of fun to ride in but I've never wanted to own one. My friend told me that the 2nd best day in your life is when you buy a new boat the very best day in your life is when you sell it.
IndyWS6 - That 'Vette has the LS2, right? What kind of times were you able to get?
It took me a while to figure out how to drive it to get good times. The C5 has traction control that similar to what you deal with will take your accelerator away from you if it start spinning. You can run it in competition mode where it won't use the brakes but will still trim back the throttle if you break loose too bad. You can also turn all traction control off and then the fun begins. That was what I did to finally get my bet time. With the few mods I had done, I was running very low 13's but spinning pretty bad off the line. I finally feathered the clutch and matched the RPMs just right and ran a 12.9 which got me kicked off the track because I didn't have a helmet which you need if running under 13s.
What did you manage with GTO?
AquaKnight - Very nice Tangman! My Dad drag raced Chevelles when he was young, only because Grandma said nothing fast, no Firebirds or Camaros, so he got a Chevelle
Thanks. Nothing fast and Chevelle huh? I remember my friend had the 71 ram air chevelle with the 460 hp 454 motor. It was a little fast.
I probably missed a few. My daughter is driving me nuts.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/2698640
Thanks. Nothing fast and Chevelle huh? I remember my friend had the 71 ram air chevelle with the 460 hp 454 motor. It was a little fast.
Yea, the rule was no Camaros or Firebirds because she didn't want them to have anything 'fast.' Not thinking there were other cars out there that were 'affordable.' A Vette was obviously to much at the time.
Boy was she pissed when he pulled in and she learned exactly what a Chevelle was, or so the legend goes....
 
indyws6

indyws6

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SALTNOOB - Ouch!
I agree that the '04 styling completely missed the boat, but for '05 and '06 the changes made a huge difference. They obviously made the changes because of the outcry that it looked like a grocery-getter (and it did - I, too, was disappointed...), but the hood scoops, spoiler and body-side moldings made for a nice improvement. Does it look as "mean" as my 1998 WS6? No. But, the build quality is far superior, it handles much better in a straight line and (especially) on curves and it has 75 more horsepower. It's not perfect, but seems to be a nice blend. Getting essentially the same drivetrain as a 'Vette for $20K less is a nice touch. Not that I wouldn't drive a 'Vette, mind you
Which takes me to...
TANGMAN99 - Greetings
My best so far is 13.8 @ ~103 for a completely stock vehicle. I did 13.4 @ 105 with the WS6 6-speed (while roasting the tires...), so the computer in the GTO is clearly a limiting factor. The system has both Torque Management and Traction Control and even with the Traction Control off, the Torque Management is enabled (there is no user-accessible way to defeat it - it requires a computer programming/tuning tool). Consequently, you cannot build any RPM at the line before launching. It's a strange feeling for someone that grew-up with throttle cables connected to carbs (most times, more than one
). If I stand on the brake at the line and add throttle, at about 1,200 RPM the Torque Management kicks-in and prevents the throttle from opening any farther - regardless of where you have the gas pedal. Releasing the brake causes Torque Management to disengage, but there is a noticeable lag - not much, but enough to throw the 1/4 mile times off.
When I ran my car last October at ORP I was able to get decent traction off the line with a little finesse (with Traction Control turned off...), but the Torque Management limited the launch RPM and "bogged" the car, leading to the high 13 second times. I took it to a different track over the Fourth of July weekend and the results were completely different. Can you say "uncontrollable wheelspin"? If I disabled the Traction Control (like I did at ORP), I would be on the rev limiter in second gear before getting 25 feet off the line. So, I had to run it with the traction control on. I ultimately equaled my times from ORP (even with TC and TM - getting used to the car, I guess...), but you just know that there is a lot more there.
AQUAKNIGHT - Greetings
I agree. Is the GTO as agressive looking as it could be? No. I still think they should have done more with it given the heritage and nostalgia. But, when you drive down the road, you can see who "gets it" and who doesn't. Most people will drive by and assume that it is a V6 Grand Prix, but every now and then you get a thumbs-up or a little smile that lets you know that they know. And we all know that, sometimes, there is an advantage to having people assume that your car is a "wanna be"

Take Care Everyone
 
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