Lost the second one....

novahobbies

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Lost the second one last Friday. Just haven't been in the mood to post it, but I thought I should put it out there. The male, unlike the female, was acting perfectly fine right up until he passed....swimming around the tank, eating like a pig...I had no idea he was sick too, but apparently he was. Left for work Friday morning, he greeted me at the tank. Came back from work, and he was gone.
I'm thinking I stirred up...something....when I rearranged the rockwork. I recorded a bried ammonia spike, and perhaps there was some pathogen dormant in the sand or rock that was able to gain a foothold if the seahorses were weakened by the ammonia. It wasn't a large spike, but I don't know what else could have caused it.
After a year and a half of seeing these guys dancing around this tank, I'm pretty bummed at the sight of their empty home right now. I think I learned a hard lesson here...one that might have been avoided if I wasn't so careless by removing the rock and messing with it. If the ammonia spike caused any bacteria to gain a foothold then the fault lies directly with me.
On the other hand, a voice in the back of my head reminds me that I can't control EVERYthing that goes on in the tank...and that internal infections like this are almost impossible to detect and treat in time. My female lived through a vibrio infection with treatment, and survived a few more months before she was taken. Also, 18 months isn't so bad when I consider the possibility that these guys were older than usual (certianly larger, at least) when I purchased them. I'll never really know how old they were.
So, what's next? I don't know. I'm going to throw away every bit of live rock and sand that was in this tank, and disinfect the glass itself before I start it up again. I have some small background in microbiology, and I'm aware of how persistent bacteria can be....it can encyst, spore..you name it...and come back months later even from a dry tank to reproduce in the right environment. With that in mind, I think everything "live" from the tank has gotta go.
I think I'm going to give it another go, but I'm tempted to wait a while and change a few things around a little before I do. I'm toying with changing the filtration to that Subcurrent internal wet/dry filter, or a good cannister filter. I'm pretty sure I'm going to use a HOB fuge as well....I want a place to make a small DSB and pod fuge, because I want to put a Mandarin back in this tank again as well. The rock and the sand are going to be almost completely virgin...the rock will be a tufa sculpture and I might get a couple pieces of live rock to seed it. Likewise, I'll start with mostly dry sand and just a handfull of live to get it going. We'll see.
In the meantime....RIP, guys. I'm really sorry to see ya go..... :-(
 

teresaq

Active Member
Sorry to hear this, and I know what messing with an established tank can do.
How much live rock do you have, what about bleaching and drying it.
Are you going with the same species or are you going to go with something else??
I have a rapid pro filter i'll sell ya hehehe
TeresaQ
 

meowzer

Moderator
I am soooo so sorry for your losses.....Everytime I read something like this it makes me think more and more why I may not do horses again...I loved them, BUT...there is sooo much we don't know
again...so sorry
 

novahobbies

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Meowzer, I know how ya feel. These guys are pretty delicate, but the more I think about it, the more I'm determined to give it another go. I don't know how long they would have hung around had I not eff'ed with the landscaping as much as I did. And much of the rock that was in this tank was florida aquacultured, which is known to be a little "dirtier" than other varieties. The Live rock I'll add to seed the tufa stand next time will be fiji or something else along those lines....coralline encrusted, but that's about it. I doubt I'll use the old rock again for anything....I'm not even sure I want to add it to the reef tank.
By the way, there's a firefish in the seahorse tank who is completely fine. Whatever wiped the horses out didn't touch the fish.
When I restart, I'm going to swap species. I'll probably get a pair of southern H. Erectus, since I'm interested in trying my hand at breeding again. My wife's kind of interested in Barbs also, and one of our seahorse sources has captive bred Barbs available right now. Seems their fry are benthic, also.
 

sueandherzoo

Active Member
Awwwww Rick - I'm so sorry! Here you are providing me comfort and support with my ailing seahorse while you lost yours just a few days ago! I know what you mean about not being up to posting it, though..... on the sad occasions where I suddenly just find something dead (that seemed perfectly healthy just hours before) I don't usually bother posting it, either. I post when the creature is still alive but ailing in the hopes that we can somehow reverse it but, with seahorses at least, it seems like a losing proposition. Part of me thinks I shouldn't even bother trying when I see a seahorse get ill because the efforts are so rarely effective, but it's also impossible to stand by and do nothing, too.
So sorry about your loss, but your future plans sound good and maybe you should just give yourself a break until fall or winter. That's when I'm hoping to really step up my efforts and see if I can maintain some healthy, offspring-producing Erectus! Maybe you and I will have horses coming out of our ears by winter. :)
Sue
 
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