Manderine goby?

clownfish4

Member
Hey all,
Just bought a manderine goby (I think thats how you spell it) yesterday at my lfs and my cleaner shrimp is either trying to clean him or trying to eat him but anyway the goby just doesnt like it.
Please help!
Thanks!!!
 

pfitz44

Active Member
what size tank do you have, how long has it been established??
The fish might be infected with something. keep an eye on it... If it keeps happening, and you see what looks like a sore develop on the fish, then one needs to go.
 

crazyzeus1

Member
Did you do some research before you put your Mandarin in your 46gal? My research showed they need LOTS of live rock to support the pod population they need to survive on. From what I've read, your tank is much too small to support a Mandarin very long.
I could be wrong, so please don't flame :) Just sharing what little wisdom I have...
 

puffer32

Active Member
A mandrin can survive in a 46 gal tank that is loaded with LR, and if you don't have a fuge for pods to breed in, the mandrins a goner, some people have them in smaller tanks and are constantly buying pods to replenish the population, that can be very expensive, but most mandrins only eat pods, even if you can get them to eat other foods, their main diet is pods.
 

firedog

Member
I believe the thread was about the cleaner harassing the mandarin, not about keeping a mandarin.
Must people always change the topic if they have nothing to flame about?
And now to add my two cents on keeping a mandarin: A refuge helps, most seem to think an upstream refuge is better since a return pump will possibly kill any pods it might return to the main tank. Some people believe this is over stated. If you don't have a refuge then some chaetomorpha or filter floss in the tank will provide a refuge for the pods to breed in. Supplemental pods or frozen (or live if you can get them) mysis would also help.
As for the cleaner, in time he may leave the mandarin alone, but that may not be soon enough. Might be best to quarantine the mandarin for a while.
 

puffer32

Active Member
Originally Posted by Firedog
I believe the thread was about the cleaner harassing the mandarin, not about keeping a mandarin.
Must people always change the topic if they have nothing to flame about?
And now to add my two cents on keeping a mandarin: A refuge helps, most seem to think an upstream refuge is better since a return pump will possibly kill any pods it might return to the main tank. Some people believe this is over stated. If you don't have a refuge then some chaetomorpha or filter floss in the tank will provide a refuge for the pods to breed in. Supplemental pods or frozen (or live if you can get them) mysis would also help.
As for the cleaner, in time he may leave the mandarin alone, but that may not be soon enough. Might be best to quarantine the mandarin for a while.
And I as well as other posters were trying to figure out why the shrimp may be trying to clean a mandrin, and the possiblity it may have some parasites that could cause him to get parasites (lack of food, stress etc) No one was trying to flame this poster, who may not even know about the needs of a mandrin, sure wish I had these boards to tell me about them back when I got my first one and tried keeping it in a 60 gal tank with 50 lbs of rock and no fuge
Get off your high horse and let us also try to help the poster, we may know what we are talking about

Now to answer the posters question alittle further.......... Most times cleaner shrimp don't try cleaning mandrins because of their slime coat, so it is unusual for a mandrin to get cleaned, but not unheard of. If your shrimp harrassess the mandrin enough to really stress him out, you may have a problem and have to remove one or the other. I once had a cleaner shrimp constantly jumping on a bi color blenny who wanted no parts of cleaning. His colors started fading and he started hiding. I solved the problem by getting a larger tank and afew fish who liked being cleaned to keep the shrimp busy, and it worked.
 

clownfish4

Member
Originally Posted by Firedog
I believe the thread was about the cleaner harassing the mandarin, not about keeping a mandarin.
Must people always change the topic if they have nothing to flame about?
And now to add my two cents on keeping a mandarin: A refuge helps, most seem to think an upstream refuge is better since a return pump will possibly kill any pods it might return to the main tank. Some people believe this is over stated. If you don't have a refuge then some chaetomorpha or filter floss in the tank will provide a refuge for the pods to breed in. Supplemental pods or frozen (or live if you can get them) mysis would also help.
As for the cleaner, in time he may leave the mandarin alone, but that may not be soon enough. Might be best to quarantine the mandarin for a while.

Thank you!!!!!!!!
 

pat713

Member
Originally Posted by puffer32
And I as well as other posters were trying to figure out why the shrimp may be trying to clean a mandrin, and the possiblity it may have some parasites that could cause him to get parasites (lack of food, stress etc) No one was trying to flame this poster, who may not even know about the needs of a mandrin, sure wish I had these boards to tell me about them back when I got my first one and tried keeping it in a 60 gal tank with 50 lbs of rock and no fuge
Get off your high horse and let us also try to help the poster, we may know what we are talking about

Now to answer the posters question alittle further.......... Most times cleaner shrimp don't try cleaning mandrins because of their slime coat, so it is unusual for a mandrin to get cleaned, but not unheard of. If your shrimp harrassess the mandrin enough to really stress him out, you may have a problem and have to remove one or the other. I once had a cleaner shrimp constantly jumping on a bi color blenny who wanted no parts of cleaning. His colors started fading and he started hiding. I solved the problem by getting a larger tank and afew fish who liked being cleaned to keep the shrimp busy, and it worked.


What kind of fish enjoy being cleaned?
 

aelene

Member
Originally Posted by Pat713
What kind of fish enjoy being cleaned?
My LMB seems to really like it. :happyfish
 

stingrayjs

Member
Yea my blenny likes getting cleaned also, kinda funny. My neso hates it with a passion. Kinda funny watching the cleaner shrip trying to ambush the tang, and then jumping on him.
 

puffer32

Active Member
Angels and tangs usually enjoy a good cleaning, might be because they a larger fish so the shrimp isn't overpowering to them. My bi color blenny likes to be cleaned occasionally also. My clown and firsfish never go for a cleanup.
 

firedog

Member
Hey I like my high horse, the view is quite nice up here!!! Come and check it out some time.

My point is (or was) that the responses in general were slightly off topic of the poster's question. I think on a larger scale that is a problem here on the boards. It seems a lot of people chime in with flames and the assumption that the poster doesn't know anything and did no research on the fish he bought.
I was in a grumpy mood that day, so it is cool if you want to flame me on that post.
Back to topic: As stated it seems larger fish take to cleaners better than small fish. Maybe it is something similar to someone coming and cleaning you up with a vacuum as opposed to someone cleaning you up with an enormous crane. Also my tangs didn't take to the cleaners right away, but got used to it after awhile.
Is the cleaner still picking at the mandarin?
 

puffer32

Active Member

Originally Posted by Firedog
Hey I like my high horse, the view is quite nice up here!!! Come and check it out some time.

My point is (or was) that the responses in general were slightly off topic of the poster's question. I think on a larger scale that is a problem here on the boards. It seems a lot of people chime in with flames and the assumption that the poster doesn't know anything and did no research on the fish he bought.
I was in a grumpy mood that day, so it is cool if you want to flame me on that post.
Back to topic: As stated it seems larger fish take to cleaners better than small fish. Maybe it is something similar to someone coming and cleaning you up with a vacuum as opposed to someone cleaning you up with an enormous crane. Also my tangs didn't take to the cleaners right away, but got used to it after awhile.
Is the cleaner still picking at the mandarin?
No thanks, I am scared of heights

Not like me to flame anyone, but I was also in a bad mood that day, Tx heat was getting to me
In general we are all here to do the same thing, help people when they need it
If the poster already knows about mandrins then great, if not hopefully he learned something from my post.
I would also like to know if things are better now clownfish.
 
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