Marine Ich **URGENT**

traceyw

New Member
I have marine ich in my show aquarium! I have treated my fish in copper and when I put my fish back into the main tank, it started up again. My fish was in the copper treatment for 14-16 days, but I think I need to get rid of this parasite in my show tank. I have live rock and live sand in my tank, how can I cure this? I need help fast! I don't want to move my fish again, plus put my starfish, crabs and snails in the quarantine tank, while my tang and damsiels are in the copper treatment again. How I can I treat it all at once?
 

amphiprion

Member
The only way to get rid of the ich in the show tank is to take all of the fish out of the tank and leave it fishless for 6-8 weeks. You need to break the parasite's life cycle. You cannot treat your main tank with copper as you have live rock, sand and inverts.
The fish need to be treated in a q-tank with hyposalinity. Do a search here and you will get all the information you need on this procedure.
This questions could also be answered better in the Disease forum.
 

keitho

Member
well, unfortunately, ich is hard to kick. one thing you can do is crush up some garlic and soak the fish food in the garlic solution. feed the garlic and all to the tank. do this for at least a month. i had a little ich in my tank and this eventually got rid of it. some people may tell you that it doesn't kill the ich parasite, it just makes the fish healthier. i haven't found that to be the case...IME, if you feed the garlic everyday for long enough, it seems to get rid of the infectious and noninfectious stages of the parasite without harming anything else. the main thing to do is get on it quick, stay with it, and try to keep your fish eating while making sure they are not overwhelmed by the parasite. also make sure your protein skimmer is working well! i haven't seen ich in 6 months and everyone in the tank looks great!! hope this helps...
 

q

Member
What kind of fish do you have and how big is the tank?
Fish shouldn't just get ick. Poor water quality and a tank that is too small add stress to the fish. Inproper diet will also weaken them.
 

ky

Member
Adding a UV steralizer to your system will guarantee never having ick again. The parasite eggs (that's not very scientific comming from a doctor) can incubate in the substrate for many weeks. After reaching their adult stage, they will die in a number of days if they have nothing to feed on (ie:fish). ou can either keep your fish out of the tank for a few weeks or get a UV steralizer. They kill over 98% of parasites in the system, along with all of the algae spores that everyone hates. You may need to add a few more things to your tank (phytoplankton), but the water is crystal clear and parasite free.
 

traceyw

New Member
Originally posted by Q:
<strong>What kind of fish do you have and how big is the tank?
Fish shouldn't just get ick. Poor water quality and a tank that is too small add stress to the fish. Inproper diet will also weaken them.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have a 25 gal Eclipse. One small yellow tang, 2 blue/green damsiels, chocolate starfish, 5 hermit crabs and 4 snails.
I test my water daily and everything is good. I just need some suggestions.
 

kris walker

Active Member
Hey Lord, a diatom filter will get rid of free-swimming ich? How long does it take? Has anyone else heard of this? Just curious.
I fully agree with Amphiprion. In my experience, copper is also effective in quaratine. I see no reason hyposalinity/garlic treatment is better than copper (although the disease experts say it has everything to do with stress--hyposalinity is not suppose to stress your fish). In fact, copper starts working immediately, whereas you lose 2 days during the slow dropping of salinity to 1.009 for hyposalinity. Garlic seems to get mixed results, working for some and not others.
TraceyW, you are experiencing the very reason I won't have fish for a while--fish disease is too much trouble! :)
sam
 

keitho

Member
be careful with the UV sterilizer as it will also kill beneficial bacteria and plankton in the water. :(
 

ky

Member
That's why I add phytoplankton a couple of times a week. I turn off the UV steralizer for 3 or 4 hours after I add it.
 

tiffany

Member
If I leave in the sand I have and the supposenly live rock 'which i think is dead', can I use copper??!?!?!? I am havinga similar problem and I need help fast
 

von_rahvin

Member
umm you have a tang in a 25 gallon?? this could be why it has ick. the fish is stressed. Even itty bitty tangs need room. skunk cleaners also do a job on ick. combine that with the garlic treatment method works great for me.
 

fshhub

Active Member
no, don not use copper in the main tank, it gets in everything(rock and sand included), and is almost impossible to get out, the best advice is q them and wait 1 month before adding them again, ick will die off without a host after 20something days, one month is more than adequate, and uv's IMO kill everything, not just parasites, they are not picky, they kill bacteria and all, even the bacteria you want, but they have been reprted to HELP ALOT(not guarenteed) with ick, and garlic is a great preventative, and MAY help in minor instances(but is not guarenteed either), and if it does(it helped mine), all it does is repels the ick(kinda like giveing it to a cat to prevent fleas), so they don't attatch themselves to the fish, thus breaking the bond, but you have to keep it off for 30 days(IF it helps ), however, i do reccommend using kyolic garlic extract for preventative maintenance after the problem is resolved(i say kyolic extract,( many health food stores sell it, because it is less hassle, stronger and odorless), and cheap, it is about 15$ for a bottle, but you only will use a couple of drops every week or so)
HTH
 

tiffany

Member
The problem with all this is I have no place to put my fish if I take them out of my tank!! A few people have mentioned the garlic remedy to me. What exactly do I do with this mussed up garlic or liquid garlic? Everyone keeps refering to it differently.
 

kris walker

Active Member
Hi Tiffany,
Yes, if you have no QT setup right now, you are sort of stuck. :( Garlic is your only safe bet. But it's hit or miss with garlic. Mush up garlic cloves in a cup of water, then put in food, let sit for 5 minutes, then feed garlic-soaked food to fish (do not feed the actual garlic, or put the water in tank). Garlic extract from GNC works better I hear (the odorless kind).
If you have the money, you could quickly buy a small 10-gal from the store, sacrifice some LR for biological filtration for the QT tank, dump in some water from your tank, add some new water, then QT your fish. If all goes well, you won't have any cycle to worry about (your LR must be fine if you have no ammonia/nitrite in your tank now).
Good luck,
sam
 

ky

Member
Alot of people are concerned with the 'good things' that a UV staralizer will kill. I have had a UV steralizer on each of my three tanks for over 5 years now, and have never had a problem with a 'dead "good" bacteria' illness. Believe me, I'm a physician, I know all about 'good bacteria'. I have never had an ick outbreak (or any parasitic or bacterial illness) and have never had a problem with nuisance algae. We have to remember that a tank isn't the human digestive track, any 'good bacteria' are within the organism (ie. fish, invert), not floating around in the water. Having to add phytoplankton is a whole lot easier then losing expensive fish (or worse yet, having to catch them and put them in a seperate tank for a month).
 

ky

Member
A fish can fight a parasitic infection on its own. The UV steralizer doesn't cure the fish of ick, it kills all of the ick in the water while the fish'es own immune system kills the ick. Just like most antibiotics, which don't kill every single bacterial cell in the body, rather stops the reproduction of the bacteria while the bodies own immune system kills the remaining ones. A water change won't kill a parasite, and if nothing else, puts added stress on an already stressed fish. The important thing to remember is that a fish can become infected only if there is an infecting agent available.
 

ky

Member
A fish can fight a parasitic infection on its own. The UV steralizer doesn't cure the fish of ick, it kills all of the ick in the water while the fish'es own immune system kills the ick. Just like most antibiotics, which don't kill every single bacterial cell in the body, rather stops the reproduction of the bacteria while the bodies own immune system kills the remaining ones. A water change won't kill a parasite, and if nothing else, puts added stress on an already stressed fish. The important thing to remember is that a fish can become infected only if there is an infecting agent available. :cool:
 

kris walker

Active Member
So I think you guys are agreein, right? UV kills the free-swimming ich, but not the ich that has already infested the fish, and the fishes natural defense mechanisms must combat it once ich has managed to grab hold, regardless of the UV sterilizer? :)
sam
 
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