Mixing Dwarf Angels
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dmjordan
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Originally Posted by eddie1973
Thats a bummer. I need something in my tank to add some color. I have a 55g with
Maroon Clown
Tiger Jawfish
Coral Beauty
2 Unknown Dottiebacks
4 Wheel Drive Goby
Dragon Goby
Lawnmower Blenny
any suggestions
Eddie
Soundslike your tank is fully stocked now. I wouldn't add anymore fish unless you are planning to get a much larger tank. Not sure of the rule of thumb is but I wouldn't recommend more than 2" of fish (adult size not size fish are now) per gal.
Could be wrong though.
Thats a bummer. I need something in my tank to add some color. I have a 55g with
Maroon Clown
Tiger Jawfish
Coral Beauty
2 Unknown Dottiebacks
4 Wheel Drive Goby
Dragon Goby
Lawnmower Blenny
any suggestions
Eddie
Soundslike your tank is fully stocked now. I wouldn't add anymore fish unless you are planning to get a much larger tank. Not sure of the rule of thumb is but I wouldn't recommend more than 2" of fish (adult size not size fish are now) per gal.
Could be wrong though.
wax32
Active Member
Originally Posted by dmjordan
Not sure of the rule of thumb is but I wouldn't recommend more than 2" of fish (adult size not size fish are now) per gal.
Could be wrong though.
2 inches of adult fish per gallon?
So in my 70 gallon I could have 140 inches of fish?
Try 1 inch of adult fish per FIVE gallons.
Not sure of the rule of thumb is but I wouldn't recommend more than 2" of fish (adult size not size fish are now) per gal.
Could be wrong though.
2 inches of adult fish per gallon?
So in my 70 gallon I could have 140 inches of fish?
Try 1 inch of adult fish per FIVE gallons.
boalgf
Member
Originally Posted by wax32
Try 1 inch of adult fish per FIVE gallons.
That means I can have an adult foxface, an adult blue tang, and maybe a clownfish in my 125? And a 55 can have a dwarf angel, a clown, and maybe a chromis? Those "rule of thumb" standards are nonsense. Go off of your filtration, live rock, fish compatibility (to include general aggression), and then base it off of experience.
I've got 3 dwarf angels living happily together in my 125, they used to be in my 90. The coral beauty is one of the best dwarf angels to try out 2 angels in one tank. They are one of the more passive dwarf angels. I suggest you wait until you get your 90 before trying it and then try it with another peaceful dwarf angel.
Try 1 inch of adult fish per FIVE gallons.
That means I can have an adult foxface, an adult blue tang, and maybe a clownfish in my 125? And a 55 can have a dwarf angel, a clown, and maybe a chromis? Those "rule of thumb" standards are nonsense. Go off of your filtration, live rock, fish compatibility (to include general aggression), and then base it off of experience.
I've got 3 dwarf angels living happily together in my 125, they used to be in my 90. The coral beauty is one of the best dwarf angels to try out 2 angels in one tank. They are one of the more passive dwarf angels. I suggest you wait until you get your 90 before trying it and then try it with another peaceful dwarf angel.
pontius
Active Member
Originally Posted by boalgf
That means I can have an adult foxface, an adult blue tang, and maybe a clownfish in my 125? And a 55 can have a dwarf angel, a clown, and maybe a chromis? Those "rule of thumb" standards are nonsense. Go off of your filtration, live rock, fish compatibility (to include general aggression), and then base it off of experience.
I've got 3 dwarf angels living happily together in my 125, they used to be in my 90. The coral beauty is one of the best dwarf angels to try out 2 angels in one tank. They are one of the more passive dwarf angels. I suggest you wait until you get your 90 before trying it and then try it with another peaceful dwarf angel.
I have a flame angel and coral beauty in a 125 with no problems, and I also had an Indian yellowtail angel with them, and there was no problem (until the IYT died).
aside from the 2 angels, I also have a yellow tang, hippo tang, kole tang, tomato clown, 5 chromis, and a bi-color blenny.
now I also have a 65 gallon sump/fuge, so my actual amount of water is more like 190 gallons. but I agree with you that "rules of thumb" are silly. I have always had at least 3inches of fish per 5 gallons with no problem. it all about maintenance and filtration. also, my 3 tangs make A LOT more waste than 25 1" gobies, so that alone shows the rule of thumb isn't all it's cracked up to be.
That means I can have an adult foxface, an adult blue tang, and maybe a clownfish in my 125? And a 55 can have a dwarf angel, a clown, and maybe a chromis? Those "rule of thumb" standards are nonsense. Go off of your filtration, live rock, fish compatibility (to include general aggression), and then base it off of experience.
I've got 3 dwarf angels living happily together in my 125, they used to be in my 90. The coral beauty is one of the best dwarf angels to try out 2 angels in one tank. They are one of the more passive dwarf angels. I suggest you wait until you get your 90 before trying it and then try it with another peaceful dwarf angel.
I have a flame angel and coral beauty in a 125 with no problems, and I also had an Indian yellowtail angel with them, and there was no problem (until the IYT died).
aside from the 2 angels, I also have a yellow tang, hippo tang, kole tang, tomato clown, 5 chromis, and a bi-color blenny.
now I also have a 65 gallon sump/fuge, so my actual amount of water is more like 190 gallons. but I agree with you that "rules of thumb" are silly. I have always had at least 3inches of fish per 5 gallons with no problem. it all about maintenance and filtration. also, my 3 tangs make A LOT more waste than 25 1" gobies, so that alone shows the rule of thumb isn't all it's cracked up to be.
pontius
Active Member
Originally Posted by boalgf
I was doing up the figures in my head again and another 1 inch per 5 gallon tank would be a 120 with 6 chromis. That would be a sad tank.
actually would be more like 8 chromis, but I take your point and agree with you. my personal rule of thumb is 1" per 3 gallons, and I think that's very reasonable as long as you keep up with water changes and maintenance. I have seen others successfully push it further than that, but I don't, but I've never agreed with 1" per 5 gallons except maybe in a very aggresive setup
I was doing up the figures in my head again and another 1 inch per 5 gallon tank would be a 120 with 6 chromis. That would be a sad tank.
actually would be more like 8 chromis, but I take your point and agree with you. my personal rule of thumb is 1" per 3 gallons, and I think that's very reasonable as long as you keep up with water changes and maintenance. I have seen others successfully push it further than that, but I don't, but I've never agreed with 1" per 5 gallons except maybe in a very aggresive setup
boalgf
Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
I have a flame angel and coral beauty in a 125 with no problems, and I also had an Indian yellowtail angel with them, and there was no problem (until the IYT died).
aside from the 2 angels, I also have a yellow tang, hippo tang, kole tang, tomato clown, 5 chromis, and a bi-color blenny.
now I also have a 65 gallon sump/fuge, so my actual amount of water is more like 190 gallons. but I agree with you that "rules of thumb" are silly. I have always had at least 3inches of fish per 5 gallons with no problem. it all about maintenance and filtration. also, my 3 tangs make A LOT more waste than 25 1" gobies, so that alone shows the rule of thumb isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Yes. Also, messy eaters like triggers take up more bio load space than a butterfly fish but can be the same size. And eels are huge but normally only take up the bioload of one messy eating fish. A 24" snowflake eel would apparantly max out my 125 gallon tank.
I was doing up the figures in my head again and another 1 inch per 5 gallon tank would be a 120 with 6 chromis. That would be a sad tank.
I have a flame angel and coral beauty in a 125 with no problems, and I also had an Indian yellowtail angel with them, and there was no problem (until the IYT died).
aside from the 2 angels, I also have a yellow tang, hippo tang, kole tang, tomato clown, 5 chromis, and a bi-color blenny.
now I also have a 65 gallon sump/fuge, so my actual amount of water is more like 190 gallons. but I agree with you that "rules of thumb" are silly. I have always had at least 3inches of fish per 5 gallons with no problem. it all about maintenance and filtration. also, my 3 tangs make A LOT more waste than 25 1" gobies, so that alone shows the rule of thumb isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Yes. Also, messy eaters like triggers take up more bio load space than a butterfly fish but can be the same size. And eels are huge but normally only take up the bioload of one messy eating fish. A 24" snowflake eel would apparantly max out my 125 gallon tank.
I was doing up the figures in my head again and another 1 inch per 5 gallon tank would be a 120 with 6 chromis. That would be a sad tank.
boalgf
Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
actually would be more like 8 chromis, but I take your point and agree with you. my personal rule of thumb is 1" per 3 gallons, and I think that's very reasonable as long as you keep up with water changes and maintenance. I have seen others successfully push it further than that, but I don't, but I've never agreed with 1" per 5 gallons except maybe in a very aggresive setup
Some chromis get to 5". That's not really the point though. I couldn't imagine ever needing to follow the 1" per 5 gallon rule. If you had a tankmate that was so aggressive that you had to follow this rule, it would probably need it's own tank anyway.
actually would be more like 8 chromis, but I take your point and agree with you. my personal rule of thumb is 1" per 3 gallons, and I think that's very reasonable as long as you keep up with water changes and maintenance. I have seen others successfully push it further than that, but I don't, but I've never agreed with 1" per 5 gallons except maybe in a very aggresive setup
Some chromis get to 5". That's not really the point though. I couldn't imagine ever needing to follow the 1" per 5 gallon rule. If you had a tankmate that was so aggressive that you had to follow this rule, it would probably need it's own tank anyway.
Chasmodes
Member
Years ago I had a FO tank with a Queen Angel (who outgrew the tank and I traded it for 2 pseudochromis' and a small wrasse), a flame angel, a potters angel, and a heraldi. All of them got along just fine together but knew their place. The potters was secretive in his little hole in my coral always coming out during feeding time, the flame was non stop moving all over the tank feeding, and the heralds was always out looking over everything for a scrap to nibble on. The queen never bothered any of them which I found surprising, yet all of them yielded to her. Once in a blue moon the dwarves would square off and flare, but never made contact.
The queen was introduced as a juvenile and grew up beside the others that were added shortly afterward (potters and flame at the same time and later the heralds).
Maybe I was lucky. All I can advise is that if your local LFS has a return trade policy that it's worth a shot to try it out. If they don't get along, get a trade lined up.
This is, of course, assuming you have room enough and lots of crevices and hiding places. If so, and they are well fed, then they should get along OK.
The queen was introduced as a juvenile and grew up beside the others that were added shortly afterward (potters and flame at the same time and later the heralds).
Maybe I was lucky. All I can advise is that if your local LFS has a return trade policy that it's worth a shot to try it out. If they don't get along, get a trade lined up.
This is, of course, assuming you have room enough and lots of crevices and hiding places. If so, and they are well fed, then they should get along OK.