more fish death?

fishguy83

Member

So, I get up this morning, turn on the aquarium lights and only see one damsel, i had 3.
If you have read my other posts, I let my tank cycle, bought 2 clowns, and they died in four days. So I did a water change, retested water, all ok, waited a couple of days and got 3 damsels.
Well I see one laying on the sand in a little crevice of rock, and I noticed one of my N snails heading towards it, so I'm guessing it is dead - well the other damsel who is alive (obviously) swims down into the crevice, swims his tail fin backwards and swishes it around on the other fish, and the other one, that I thought was dead, swims out of the crevice, slowly, swims around the tank, breathing kind of heavy, now made its way under another piece of rock. Again, the lively damsel swishes his tail fin around him, but he seems to be staying back ther now for good - and the 3rd damsel, I cannot find!
So needless to say, maybe its just some weird behavior, but the 3rd one i can't find must be dead, the other one isn't looking too good - if these fish die, I'm really going to reconsider this saltwater thing. I mean, I let the tank cycle, tested the water, working on slowly adding fish, only thing i didn't do was start the tank with RO/DI water (i used treated tap water - but I don't think that is the culprit....)
I noticed too, on white spot on the damsel that looks ill - on one side towards his tailfin - but nothing else on him ... the spot is too large to be ich - (maybe it's just coincidence? or a sore from laying on sand/rock?)
 

fishguy83

Member
well yeah -- the fish is definatley dying..
i really think i'll just give up - I mean, i waited to add fish, now that I am, they are all dying.
Snails/hermits seem fine - so what does that mean? Why are all (except one damsel that is left) fish dying, but snails and hermits are fine?
I'm confused, and angry -- maybe freshwater fish are the answer???
 
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sinner's girl

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adding three fish to a new tank is a risk, what are your levels...adding three may have been too much for your tank...check amonia...
did you get all fish from the same source? if so, use a different store...
ditto on the other quesitons....
how long did you have the damsel before they died?
 

murph

Active Member
I have read your other post and something is odd here. What did you use to treat the tap water with and did you use enough. Might want to pick up a chlorine test kit at a pool store and see if any is present.
Use Amquel and treat the tank again. Starting to sound like there is some sort of contaminate in the tank or a vary poor source of livestock.
Acclimation may also be the problem here.
If the remaining damsel lives leave things be for at least a month.
 
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sinner's girl

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tap water alone wouldn't kill the damsel...chlorine would be out in 24 hours...

dont' use chemicals on tap water, use RO if possible, if not, let tap water sit out for 24hours before using...
 

calgar

Member
I think it may be a bacterial infection or Ich. If you can setup (or have) a quarantine tank I would move them there. Before moving treat them with hiposalinity dip and move them to the QT and see how they progress.
 

mikeyjer

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Stuffs like this happens in a young tank, it's happening to me as well with my newly setup tank. And I'm using RO water instead of tap. So far only my second fish that I put in is doing just fine, the first one died within 3 days(Royal Gramma). I did a large water change and added a second one a week later (Bar Goby) along with a hermit crab and a couple of peppermint shrimp. They're all doing just fine, 2 weeks later I added another fish and it died within 24hrs. I did the drip acclimating process and everything I can think of, even asked the guy to feed the fish while I was at the LFS, it eats good and everything and no sign of sickness. At least my bar goby is still eating and swimming around happily. I guess I'll wait another month or so before putting in another fish....I feel your pain on losing these fish, but IMO if there's any sign of sickness from those fish, I would let the tank run fallow for at least 6 weeks and then add another fish and see. Good Luck! :happyfish
 

fishguy83

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ok - so I ran out of some tests, but had LFS test everything before adding the 2 clowns (both died, I thought brooklynella, but maybe not) -- then I had them test again before the damsels.... tests as follows
Amm - 0 (LFS tested a little over 0 after clownfish death, but I thought it looked like 0, they said it was slightly above 0, still enough to kill? i don't know)
NitrItes - 0
NitrAtes - (looked like 0 but maybe a little higher, not over 5)
Salinity (I test, has held steady around 1.025)
pH - 8.0 - 8.3 (my tests test different than LFS, somewhat)
I tested ammonia the past two days, reading of 0 (maybe a little above, but not over 0.25, I think that is the next level up)
I treated the tap water with PRIME by Seachem, would mix it (salt and treated water) and let it sit out for a few days. I did use some Seachem marine buffer for pH since I had problems, but ingredients seem like baking soda, and some other elements, I don't think would be harmful (never treated the tank directly, did water changes to bump the pH up when it was testing low).
Another intersting thing, before I got clownfish, I bought two turbo snails, 3 nassarius snails, and 3 blue-leg hermit crabs, and they are all fine.
I'm getting a test kit tomorrow, but was looking at Saltwater Aquarium Test Kit, from Aquarium Pharmaceuticals - i think most people on here think it isn't too accurate - but, probably all I can afford now - it'll be good enough just to be able to do tests at home, right?
So, I think that is it. I am just really frustrated - the other damsel seems healthy, so we'll see.
answers to some questions...
Acclimation - no I didn't drip acclimate, but It was a two hour process adding 1/4 cup water to the bag 4 times, dumping some water, then doing it another 4 times...
Ich - I don't see the signs of ich really at all, i could be wrong, but have seen ich on freshwater when i worked at wally world, and what I saw on clowns, didn't look like it, and the damsels didn't have anything, just the one had one spot, which I think was too big to be ich, thought it was a sore..
Contaminate - Muprh, I'm no expert, but from researching/reading - I really think something may be in the tank - the amquel though will just take care of ammonia, right? and can you treat with livestock in it?
I'll start buying RO water in gallons, I guess - or see if ***** has it, and ask if they test it using TDS meter (that right?)
Adding three fish - I was a little scared, kind of got talked into it by LFS, said 3 would be fine, I was worried about ammonia, but seems to test at 0, unless I have bad test kit.
Bad Livestock - I thought that could have been the issue, have seen dead fish in his tanks, but thought that will happen - but damsels that I bought were in store for a week, all seemed healthy, have never seen ich on the fish though..
so - this is a long post, but I'm really just trying to figure this out - thanks for all the help, I know I must be annoying some people, haha - I was even getting excited, thinking I could answer some posts for people, but maybe I should stop, I thought my reading tons of posts on here had taught me something, but maybe not!!! :notsure:
 

murph

Active Member
Amquel will neutralize any chlorines and chlorimines in your tap water as well as detoxifies ammonia and can be dosed with fish in the system. It can be overdosed with no problems which is why I suggested its use. If you are on a municipal water supply it is likely there are chlorimines in your water so use of this product is mandatory when setting up a new tank with tap water.
The deaths of your fish sound like either poor livestock to begin with or acclimation sickness or some sort of outside contaminate. This is provided high levels of ammonia can be ruled out which you and your LFS test do indicate.
Drip acclimating may be the answer to your problems. Many LFS keep the SG of there tanks vary low in effort to prevent parasite outbreaks. I have bought fish and started acclimations where the LFS water was 1.018. With my tank water at 1.025 this means a vary long acclimation, bringing the SG in the acclimation bucket up about .001 each hour. It is vary important that you don't introduce a fish to your tank with an SG difference of more than .001 IMO.
The acclimation procedure is explained vary well here. https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11_03/acclimation.php
It is imperative that you first check the SG of your main tank then acclimate until the water in your acclimation bucket matches that of your tank. The symptoms of your fish deaths match that of acclimation sickness.
AS far as outside contaminates its sources could be your initial use of tap water, aerosols used in the home or even something on your hands. If you suspect this to be the case you need to start running as much carbon in your filters as possible and change that carbon daily as it can be quickly saturated. Do this and water changes until outside contaminates can be ruled out as a source of your problems. The water machines outside grocery stores and walmarts is typically RO filtered water and can be used at a cost of around 30 cents a gallon.
Good luck and hang in there for awhile longer. If you keep at it the source of your problems will eventually be discovered.
 

fishguy83

Member
ok so I got a test kit
ammonia - between 0 and 0.25, closer to 0, though, I think
nitrite - 0
nitrate - 10
pH - 8.0
Last surviving damsel is doing great, so hopefully he'll make it... fed him tonight and he went crazy eating...
 

fishguy83

Member
so - he looks healthy, but if I lose this last damsel... any suggestions?
Not sure what to do at this point, especially if it dies...
 
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