More from Barney Frank

[uneverno]

Deejeff: The same way that Venture Capital or the stockholders can fire the CEO.
If you screw up on your payments - rest assured, the bank will step in - and not in your favor.
Same for VC.
Spend some time in Silicon Valley. CEO's get fired on a routine basis here.
It's our money. As the majority stockholder, we have a right to decide how it's spent. If the CEO isn't performing --- buhbye. I can't disagree w/ Obama as president of the money market fund. That's capitalism.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3116588
USPS? He was using that as an example to quell your fears about the Federal Government running private insurance companies out of business. The USPS was in trouble financially before Bush was in office.
You miss the point. The USPS was around before they had competition. Because the government ran them so ineffeciently, private enterprise sprang up and gave them competition. Since competition was created you would think they would retool and become more efficient, enhance their services and overall customer care....but they have done the exact opposite. Why is it when I go to the post office there is a line of 25 people (minimum 10 minutes per transaction) and only 2 window tellers? Now, if this is the level of customer care the government provides....how is this better?
Ever been down to the social security office? Plan on a whole day spent sitting....Regardless what you are there for you will not be done quickly. Everything government runs is inefficient. The only entity of the government that has not been inefficient is the military....but then again there is a different mentallity in those employees and no unions...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3117028
You miss the point. The USPS was around before they had competition. Because the government ran them so ineffeciently, private enterprise sprang up and gave them competition. Since competition was created you would think they would retool and become more efficient, enhance their services and overall customer care....but they have done the exact opposite. Why is it when I go to the post office there is a line of 25 people (minimum 10 minutes per transaction) and only 2 window tellers? Now, if this is the level of customer care the government provides....how is this better?
Ever been down to the social security office? Plan on a whole day spent sitting....Regardless what you are there for you will not be done quickly. Everything government runs is inefficient. The only entity of the government that has not been inefficient is the military....but then again there is a different mentallity in those employees and no unions...

In all honesty, you can't compare the USPS with FedEx and UPS in the first place. FedEx and UPS specialize in the shipment of packages. That's probably a very small percentage of what the USPS delivers on a daily basis. Have you ever let UPS or FedEx mail your letters or bills? What kind of volume does the USPS have to deal with on that type of mail alone? The high cost of fuel and the recession didn't help the USPS. Why do you think they raise the price of a stamp 2 to 3 cents every couple of years now? The USPS just announced they were closing 5 or 10 Post Offices in San Antonio alone. The lines are longer at the Post Office because they are laying off workers like everyone else. When I go into a Post Office to mail something, I'd say 80% of the people in line are making transactions that deal will mailing letters, picking up certified mail, getting postage stamps, and sending off bulk mail. If I want to send a package, I'll normally use their automated kiosk. If not, there's a UPS and FedEx store right across the street. Everytime I go in there, there's hardly anyone in there.

 

[reefraff]

Crisp, I gotta do this again?

Socialism: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
Fascism: A system of government that flourished in Europe from the 1920s to the end of World War II. Germany under Adolf Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Spain under Franco were all fascist states. As a rule, fascist governments are dominated by a dictator, who usually possesses a magnetic personality, wears a showy uniform, and rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and “impure” people within his own nation, such as the Jews in Germany. Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality.
The control Obama is seeking over the banks would be Fascist. Creating a government insurance company would be socialist. When Venezuela took control of the oil fields they were said to have "Socialized" them.
Socialism seeks to have the government own all methods of production to create a single working class for all people.
Fascism seeks to give the government absolute control over peoples lives and actions for the betterment of the state.The ultimate goal is for all actions public and private to benefit the state. The fascists don't care what the corporations do as long as they are making money and paying taxes.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3117087
In all honesty, you can't compare the USPS with FedEx and UPS in the first place. FedEx and UPS specialize in the shipment of packages. That's probably a very small percentage of what the USPS delivers on a daily basis. Have you ever let UPS or FedEx mail your letters or bills? What kind of volume does the USPS have to deal with on that type of mail alone? The high cost of fuel and the recession didn't help the USPS. Why do you think they raise the price of a stamp 2 to 3 cents every couple of years now? The USPS just announced they were closing 5 or 10 Post Offices in San Antonio alone. The lines are longer at the Post Office because they are laying off workers like everyone else. When I go into a Post Office to mail something, I'd say 80% of the people in line are making transactions that deal will mailing letters, picking up certified mail, getting postage stamps, and sending off bulk mail. If I want to send a package, I'll normally use their automated kiosk. If not, there's a UPS and FedEx store right across the street. Everytime I go in there, there's hardly anyone in there.
Ahh, but the post office has a government mandated monopoly on mail delivery. FED EX and UPS cannot deliver mail to a mail box by law. Change the law so private companies can deliver mail and watch what happens.

 

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3116226
speaking of the USPS isnt that a form of socialism? i mean where in the constitution does it say the government must provide mail service?

Originally Posted by Article One: Section 8 - The Powers of Congress
To establish post offices and post roads;
The majority of the education is done in the private sector, and yes public school has done wonders to drive down the cost of education

I don't think people disagree with Obama because he is black and they are racist. (Based on circumstantial evidence it would lean to the reverse) People are opposed to Obama because if his views. The Bush administration weakened the GOP and Dems relationship severely and it’s just turned into a full on mud slinging competition. Obama could be purple and people would hate him/love him just as much.
I personally don’t trust the guy and I don’t think I ever will even if I see him rescuing kittens from a burning tree. Everything about the guy just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3117101
Ahh, but the post office has a government mandated monopoly on mail delivery. FED EX and UPS cannot deliver mail to a mail box by law. Change the law so private companies can deliver mail and watch what happens.
It may come to that. The USPS is already trying to push legislation whereby they won't have to deliver mail on Saturday any longer. But then, UPS doesn't deliver on Saturday either. I bet UPS or FedEx would have nothing to do with delivering conventional mail to homes. Just looking at the nightmares the USPS has with that process, they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot poll. Which brings up a good question. What country in the world does have a public mail system? Aren't all mail systems government controlled?

 

[bionicarm]

THE TWO COW PRINCIPLES
COMMUNISM Idealogy as a governing system: You have two cows. Give both cows to the government, and they MAY give you some of the milk.
FACISM idealogy as a governing system: You have two cows. You give ALL the milk to the government, and the government sells it for a profit for themselves.
SOCIALISM idealogy as a governing system: You have two cows. Give one cow to your neighbor!
NAZISM as a governing idealogy system: You have two cows. The government shoots you and takes both cows. Communism often does it this way sometimes.
ANARCHISM as a political idealogy system: You have two cows. You keep the two cows. Shoot the government agent and steal another cow from your neighbor.
CAPITALISM as a governing political idealogy: You have two cows. Sell one cow and buy a bull.

 

[salty blues]

Regarding the OP subject, what is mind boggling to me is that there actually are voters(idiots)in this country who keep re-electing Frank and his ilk!

 

[ironeagle2006]

Trouble is People like Frank and his ILK aka Pelosi Kennedy NONE OF THEM HAVE VER WORKED ONE DAY IN THEIR FREAKING WORTHLESS LIFES. Just how many Economic Professors have actually Applied their Theroies in the Real Business world or How many of the Presidents Economic Advisors have done the same thing.

 

[vinnyraptor]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3117459
Trouble is People like Frank and his ILK aka Pelosi Kennedy NONE OF THEM HAVE VER WORKED ONE DAY IN THEIR FREAKING WORTHLESS LIFES. Just how many Economic Professors have actually Applied their Theroies in the Real Business world or How many of the Presidents Economic Advisors have done the same thing.
what politician on either side of the aisle actually worked a day in his life? Bush? Cheney?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3117301
It may come to that. The USPS is already trying to push legislation whereby they won't have to deliver mail on Saturday any longer. But then, UPS doesn't deliver on Saturday either. I bet UPS or FedEx would have nothing to do with delivering conventional mail to homes. Just looking at the nightmares the USPS has with that process, they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot poll. Which brings up a good question. What country in the world does have a public mail system? Aren't all mail systems government controlled?
If the post office was ran as a method of delivering mail and packages it would probably have a much larger portion of the business the private delivery companies have. Unfortunately at some point it was decided it was more important to give jobs with good pay for certain segments of the population than to deliver the mail efficiently. No offense to people who carry the mail but it ain't rocket science.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3117467
what politician on either side of the aisle actually worked a day in his life? Bush? Cheney?
Might want to research Cheney, he has held real jobs. Bush also "worked" in the private sector as a business owner which gives him a leg up on many politicians.

 

[deejeff442]

cheny owns and grew one of the biggest construction companies in the world ever hear of halliburton?
bush was the owner of the texas rangers and i think that was the last time the rangers did anything in the playoffs.
i love to watch frank talk almost spitting out his dentures while always blamming someone else .
if it is always someone else what the hell does he do anyway then?

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by deejeff442
http:///forum/post/3117519
cheny owns and grew one of the biggest construction companies in the world ever hear of halliburton?
bush was the owner of the texas rangers and i think that was the last time the rangers did anything in the playoffs.
i love to watch frank talk almost spitting out his dentures while always blamming someone else .
if it is always someone else what the hell does he do anyway then?
Cheney doesn't own Halliburton. He's been in politics all his life, except for 5 years working for a HUGE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR -Halliburton.
Bush must have worked at digging ditches and saving his money to buy the Texas Rangers. No that was the Silver Spoon that paid for it....
I agree Frank is a little brash...

 

[deejeff442]

cheny doesnt own halliburton ?
i have alway heard he did thats how he got his money to start his political career .could be wrongly informed.
no matter how bush owned the rangers i am sure he had somethingto do with the team.
yea i just love to listen to frank is like watching a cartoon.
did you see when he was spin zone and got grilled i thought he needed a drool towel after the first minute.

 

[uneverno]

hehe - no - Cheney does not own Haliburton outright. As a member of the board however, he owned stock options in the company. (Which, of course, were put into a blind trust during his tenure in office so as to avoid any hint of impropriety during the war he fomented.)
Bush did own the Rangers. He also owned an oil company. I do believe he is the only man in America who nearly bankrupted a baseball team and did bankrupt an oil company. How does that happen?
Reef:
The control Obama is seeking over the banks would be Fascist. Creating a government insurance company would be socialist. When Venezuela took control of the oil fields they were said to have "Socialized" them.
1) Agreed. Control over the banks would be Fascist. Isn't that what the Federal Reserve was created to do?
2) Again, agreed, but w/ reservations. If the Gov't actually listened to us, I'd say it was Socialist. Since they don't, and it seems a "leftist" label is required, I'd call it a Communist dictatorship, though I fail to see the practical difference between that and any other Dictatorship.
3) Misnomer frequently used by the American media to confuse the issue. The oil fields were not Socialized, they were Nationalized. That happens a lot when American companies exploit a sovereign nation's natural resources and do nothing in return except fund the military which the US installed gov't uses to supress the people (who, for having the audacity to voice an opinion, are branded Communists.)

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3117520
Cheney doesn't own Halliburton. He's been in politics all his life, except for 5 years working for a HUGE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR -Halliburton.
Bush must have worked at digging ditches and saving his money to buy the Texas Rangers. No that was the Silver Spoon that paid for it....
I agree Frank is a little brash...
You do realize "government contracting" only make up part of Halliburton's business right?
Cheney also worked for the Power company when he was younger. That was his regular job. Halliburton he got because of who he was.
Bush worked in the oil business for a few years then started his own company.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3117569
hehe - no - Cheney does not own Haliburton outright. As a member of the board however, he owned stock options in the company.
Bush did own the Rangers. He also owned an oil company. I do believe he is the only man in America capable of having nearly bankrupted the former and having bankrupted the latter.
Reef:
1) Agreed. Control over the banks would be Fascist. Isn't that what the Federal Reserve was created to do?
2) Again, agreed, but w/ reservations. If the Gov't actually listened to us, I'd say it was Socialist. Since they don't, and it seems a "leftist" label is required, I'd call it a Communist dictatorship, though I fail to see the practical difference between that and any other Dictatorship.
3) Misnomer frequently used by the American media to confuse the issue. The oil fields were not Socialized, they were Nationalized. That happens a lot when American companies exploit a sovereign nation's natural resources and do nothing in return except fund the military which the US installed gov't uses to supress the people.
How is a company coming in and making an agreement with a foreign to provide the capital and expertise to develop a natural resource exploitation? You start from the basic premise that capitalism is evil. Thats cool, you should just Identify yourself as a rat commie bass turd

Seriously wouldn't a company be entitled to a profit for putting their resources at risk? At the time most of the oil fields were developed there wasn't any other game in towm but Chevron, Mobil, Shell etc. that had the ability to do that.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3117574
You do realize "government contracting" only make up part of Halliburton's business right?
Cheney also worked for the Power company when he was younger. That was his regular job. Halliburton he got because of who he was.
Bush worked in the oil business for a few years then started his own company.
A Huge Government Contractor - Just the same. Just because they do other corrupt things aroud the world besides to the US, doesn't make then any less "Government Contracting"...
Yes, Bush worked in the oil industry - HIS Families - That's why when he was president we were paying $4.00 a gallon. He backrupted his business and then the US economy. You remember when he sent Cheney to negotiate oil for us, don't you...