darthtang aw
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http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...t_ground_zero/
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Mosque at ground zero? Old news but back in the media.
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As a NY'er I find this whole thing pretty damn insulting. Regardless of whether the majority of muslims would have us believe that islam is a peaceful religion, the fact remains that the attacks on 9/11 were done in the name of their so called peaceful god. The city council in NY has their heads up their collective behinds. No one I know is in support of this but then again when have the politicians ever actually listened to the will of the people they were elected to serve?
bigarn
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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3288041
As a NY'er I find this whole thing pretty damn insulting. Regardless of whether the majority of muslims would have us believe that islam is a peaceful religion, the fact remains that the attacks on 9/11 were done in the name of their so called peaceful god. The city council in NY has their heads up their collective behinds. No one I know is in support of this but then again when have the politicians ever actually listened to the will of the people they were elected to serve?
I agree 100%!! As an American I find this pure BS!! Do you think we could build twin towers near their "dome on the rock" or whatever the hell it's called??!! I think not! .... If there's any America left, it had better wake up!!!
http:///forum/post/3288041
As a NY'er I find this whole thing pretty damn insulting. Regardless of whether the majority of muslims would have us believe that islam is a peaceful religion, the fact remains that the attacks on 9/11 were done in the name of their so called peaceful god. The city council in NY has their heads up their collective behinds. No one I know is in support of this but then again when have the politicians ever actually listened to the will of the people they were elected to serve?
I agree 100%!! As an American I find this pure BS!! Do you think we could build twin towers near their "dome on the rock" or whatever the hell it's called??!! I think not! .... If there's any America left, it had better wake up!!!
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by bigarn
http:///forum/post/3288045
I agree 100%!! As an American I find this pure BS!! Do you think we could build twin towers near their "dome on the rock" or whatever the hell it's called??!! I think not!
At first my emotional reaction was similar to everyone that has posted. But then rational set in. This building is being built on private property. It's construction does not violate any laws and will gainfully employ several people. It is NOT on federal property, therefore asking our politicians to oppose this would be equal to asking a politician to oppose letting you build on your property.
while it may be distasteful, to prevent the building of this on private property would be to go AGAINST many of the reasons this country was founded.
Darth (just shocked the world) Tang
http:///forum/post/3288045
I agree 100%!! As an American I find this pure BS!! Do you think we could build twin towers near their "dome on the rock" or whatever the hell it's called??!! I think not!
At first my emotional reaction was similar to everyone that has posted. But then rational set in. This building is being built on private property. It's construction does not violate any laws and will gainfully employ several people. It is NOT on federal property, therefore asking our politicians to oppose this would be equal to asking a politician to oppose letting you build on your property.
while it may be distasteful, to prevent the building of this on private property would be to go AGAINST many of the reasons this country was founded.
Darth (just shocked the world) Tang
soviettaco
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3288054
At first my emotional reaction was similar to everyone that has posted. But then rational set in. This building is being built on private property. It's construction does not violate any laws and will gainfully employ several people. It is NOT on federal property, therefore asking our politicians to oppose this would be equal to asking a politician to oppose letting you build on your property.
while it may be distasteful, to prevent the building of this on private property would be to go AGAINST many of the reasons this country was founded.
Darth (just shocked the world) Tang
You sir have my respect
http:///forum/post/3288054
At first my emotional reaction was similar to everyone that has posted. But then rational set in. This building is being built on private property. It's construction does not violate any laws and will gainfully employ several people. It is NOT on federal property, therefore asking our politicians to oppose this would be equal to asking a politician to oppose letting you build on your property.
while it may be distasteful, to prevent the building of this on private property would be to go AGAINST many of the reasons this country was founded.
Darth (just shocked the world) Tang
You sir have my respect
fishtaco
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3288054
At first my emotional reaction was similar to everyone that has posted. But then rational set in. This building is being built on private property. It's construction does not violate any laws and will gainfully employ several people. It is NOT on federal property, therefore asking our politicians to oppose this would be equal to asking a politician to oppose letting you build on your property.
while it may be distasteful, to prevent the building of this on private property would be to go AGAINST many of the reasons this country was founded.
Darth (just shocked the world) Tang
Well put Darth, kind of reminds me of the way hate groups hide behind the constitution. Nobody wants to see that mosque go in, but nobody wants to see neo-nazi's buy 20 acres and start a pseudo-militia compound next door either, yet they exist in our society.
http:///forum/post/3288054
At first my emotional reaction was similar to everyone that has posted. But then rational set in. This building is being built on private property. It's construction does not violate any laws and will gainfully employ several people. It is NOT on federal property, therefore asking our politicians to oppose this would be equal to asking a politician to oppose letting you build on your property.
while it may be distasteful, to prevent the building of this on private property would be to go AGAINST many of the reasons this country was founded.
Darth (just shocked the world) Tang
Well put Darth, kind of reminds me of the way hate groups hide behind the constitution. Nobody wants to see that mosque go in, but nobody wants to see neo-nazi's buy 20 acres and start a pseudo-militia compound next door either, yet they exist in our society.
reefraff
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To me it would be like building a Japanese cultural center overlooking the USS Arizona 10 years after Pearl Harbor was bombed. I think those behind this are idiots but they have every right in the world to build it. "Congress shall make no law establishing religion or the free exercise thereof" I just wish the liberals would remember that when a group of kids want to have a prayer at their high school graduation or a group wants to place a manger scene in a park at Christmas time.
soviettaco
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It's not like that at all, it was terrorists attacking a nation, not a nation attacking a nation in full out total war.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO
http:///forum/post/3288067
It's not like that at all, it was terrorists attacking a nation, not a nation attacking a nation in full out total war.
Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japanese. The World Trade Center was attacked by Muslim terrorists. No difference at all. Japanese attacked us, Muslims attacked us. In today's world I think most people wouldn't have an issue with having a Japanese cultural center in the area of the Arizona as we are now allies. As for the WTC site there are still a lot of people who would attack us in the name is Islam and the wounds are still too fresh.
http:///forum/post/3288067
It's not like that at all, it was terrorists attacking a nation, not a nation attacking a nation in full out total war.
Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japanese. The World Trade Center was attacked by Muslim terrorists. No difference at all. Japanese attacked us, Muslims attacked us. In today's world I think most people wouldn't have an issue with having a Japanese cultural center in the area of the Arizona as we are now allies. As for the WTC site there are still a lot of people who would attack us in the name is Islam and the wounds are still too fresh.
One of the local politicians has been demanding to know where the group that is trying to build this thing is getting their funding since they only supposedly have about 18 grand in the bank. Its gonna cost millions just for the land that this thing is supposed to be built on. Havent heard any more about it since about a week ago when I read this.
reefraff
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I am pretty sure we'll be treated to some nut job terrorist sympathizers overseas gloating that they helped pay for the mosque that stands as their victory over the evil United States. Thats why I think those behind this are fools for choosing to build there. If they really are reasonable muslims the radicals are going to make them look bad by using it as a propaganda tool.
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by bigarn
http:///forum/post/3288061
Since I already stated how I feel, and I couldn't disagree more with you guys I'm gonna leave it alone now.
big (Darth needs to take a good look at his avatar) arn
Trust me, I know what you mean and do feel the same as far as it's placement and such. But the freedom loving side of me sees the otherside of the coin. The land is private property. While distasteful....It is not the job of the government to dictate what a person can do with their land. That area is alredy zoned for this type of structure if I remember correctly. So the government has no say so.
However this structure could create an unsafe environment .....this could be argued and the government has a duty to step in, in this case. But this is not the argument being put forth. Do I want to see this built? No. But there is no government control here that I can see unless they were building this on federal property, which is not the case.
Arn, I look at my avatar daily. The attack was an attack against freedom, in all forms. I want the towers rebuilt....that would be the biggest F you we could do to terrorists. I would even support government funding a project of rebuilding them. But I can not support limiting someone else's freedom in this country to save my own sensibilities and anger issues.
Darth (to level headed these days) Tang
http:///forum/post/3288061
Since I already stated how I feel, and I couldn't disagree more with you guys I'm gonna leave it alone now.
big (Darth needs to take a good look at his avatar) arn
Trust me, I know what you mean and do feel the same as far as it's placement and such. But the freedom loving side of me sees the otherside of the coin. The land is private property. While distasteful....It is not the job of the government to dictate what a person can do with their land. That area is alredy zoned for this type of structure if I remember correctly. So the government has no say so.
However this structure could create an unsafe environment .....this could be argued and the government has a duty to step in, in this case. But this is not the argument being put forth. Do I want to see this built? No. But there is no government control here that I can see unless they were building this on federal property, which is not the case.
Arn, I look at my avatar daily. The attack was an attack against freedom, in all forms. I want the towers rebuilt....that would be the biggest F you we could do to terrorists. I would even support government funding a project of rebuilding them. But I can not support limiting someone else's freedom in this country to save my own sensibilities and anger issues.
Darth (to level headed these days) Tang
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vinnyraptor
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3288076
Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japanese. The World Trade Center was attacked by Muslim terrorists. No difference at all. Japanese attacked us, Muslims attacked us. In today's world I think most people wouldn't have an issue with having a Japanese cultural center in the area of the Arizona as we are now allies. As for the WTC site there are still a lot of people who would attack us in the name is Islam and the wounds are still too fresh.
doesn't building a mosque near ground zero show what the country was founded on? especially religious freedom. i think it will say were America and American where we dont have religious bias or hate. where everyone is free to be who and what they are. i think it will be a slap in the Jyhadist's face for us as Americans to embrace the idea and not insult a religion were 99% of it's followers are peaceful people.
http:///forum/post/3288076
Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japanese. The World Trade Center was attacked by Muslim terrorists. No difference at all. Japanese attacked us, Muslims attacked us. In today's world I think most people wouldn't have an issue with having a Japanese cultural center in the area of the Arizona as we are now allies. As for the WTC site there are still a lot of people who would attack us in the name is Islam and the wounds are still too fresh.
doesn't building a mosque near ground zero show what the country was founded on? especially religious freedom. i think it will say were America and American where we dont have religious bias or hate. where everyone is free to be who and what they are. i think it will be a slap in the Jyhadist's face for us as Americans to embrace the idea and not insult a religion were 99% of it's followers are peaceful people.
soviettaco
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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3288334
doesn't building a mosque near ground zero show what the country was founded on? especially religious freedom. i think it will say were America and American where we dont have religious bias or hate. where everyone is free to be who and what they are. i think it will be a slap in the Jyhadist's face for us as Americans to embrace the idea and not insult a religion were 99% of it's followers are peaceful people.
Well said.
http:///forum/post/3288334
doesn't building a mosque near ground zero show what the country was founded on? especially religious freedom. i think it will say were America and American where we dont have religious bias or hate. where everyone is free to be who and what they are. i think it will be a slap in the Jyhadist's face for us as Americans to embrace the idea and not insult a religion were 99% of it's followers are peaceful people.
Well said.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3288334
doesn't building a mosque near ground zero show what the country was founded on? especially religious freedom. i think it will say were America and American where we dont have religious bias or hate. where everyone is free to be who and what they are. i think it will be a slap in the Jyhadist's face for us as Americans to embrace the idea and not insult a religion were 99% of it's followers are peaceful people.
lol
http:///forum/post/3288334
doesn't building a mosque near ground zero show what the country was founded on? especially religious freedom. i think it will say were America and American where we dont have religious bias or hate. where everyone is free to be who and what they are. i think it will be a slap in the Jyhadist's face for us as Americans to embrace the idea and not insult a religion were 99% of it's followers are peaceful people.
lol
reefraff
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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3288334
doesn't building a mosque near ground zero show what the country was founded on? especially religious freedom. i think it will say were America and American where we dont have religious bias or hate. where everyone is free to be who and what they are. i think it will be a slap in the Jyhadist's face for us as Americans to embrace the idea and not insult a religion were 99% of it's followers are peaceful people.
So you stab everyone who lost family on 9-11 in the heart to slap the extremists in the face? As I said upthread the government shouldn't prevent it, common sense should.
http:///forum/post/3288334
doesn't building a mosque near ground zero show what the country was founded on? especially religious freedom. i think it will say were America and American where we dont have religious bias or hate. where everyone is free to be who and what they are. i think it will be a slap in the Jyhadist's face for us as Americans to embrace the idea and not insult a religion were 99% of it's followers are peaceful people.
So you stab everyone who lost family on 9-11 in the heart to slap the extremists in the face? As I said upthread the government shouldn't prevent it, common sense should.