Movie theater shooting

mantisman51

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/white-house-plays-down-prospect-gun-laws-224057070.html
Wow, talk about whiplash! The teleprompter corrected him in less than 24 hours.
 

sweat90lx

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quote from that
Asked about reporting that suggests that the Colorado shooter violated no laws, and how even tighter background checks would prevent a similar tragedy in the future, Carney replied: "I don't think the President ever suggested that the background check can stop every crime from occurring in America, even one as heinous as this."
"But we do need to take a broader look at what we can do to reduce violence in America," he said. "And it requires a multi-faceted approach that looks at this problem from a variety of angles, and that's not just legislative and it's not just about gun laws."
Although it did mention Obama said we needed a more "common sense" approach. Common sense and personal responsibility are needed.
 

reefraff

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It would be interesting to know where the guy learned how to booby trap the apartment. I suspect his "research" time was spent on that but I don't buy into the conspiracy theories.
 

beth

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I had already thought of the "mind altering research" myself as possibly being behind this.
Also find a mass murder event followed by admitting that he rigged his apt very odd. He obviously planned to kill police entering his apt, but then didn't.
What is really boggling is that he mailed his plans to a university psychiatric professor but the mail sat in the mail room undelivered! WOW
 

dragonzim

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/180#post_3484532
It would be interesting to know where the guy learned how to booby trap the apartment. I suspect his "research" time was spent on that but I don't buy into the conspiracy theories.
5 minutes on the Internet will tell you all you need to know. There have also been books on the subject for years. "The Anarchists Cookbook" is one of the most widely known and it was written in 1969.
 

2quills

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Yep, that's why I doubt that it would matter messing with gun control laws. If someone was motivated enough then they will find other ways to wreak havoc.
 

mantisman51

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I don't buy the theory that the Federal government was behind this, for two reasons: 1) Bad timing. Gun laws are never tampered with in an election year. So how would it benefit those who want more gun control? 2) This guy was an "academic" pointy head. I doubt he needed brainwashing to be a tool for anti-gun crusaders. I thought from the first moment I learned he was a psych major that he already had thought through that he could kill a bunch of people and it would be used to force more gun control. I find it odd that when someone has the least bit of right wing leanings, we get everything they ever have posted online or submitted in class published by the media, but with this guy and Loughner, the media hasn't released anything regarding their political orientation. For instance Jared Loughner had a flaming left-wing blog and Facebook page and said that the religious right was the most dangerous thing in America and had to be stopped. It was open knowledge that the guy was a lefty, but no one but Fox News ever covered it, and the alphabet media actually helped democrats paint the guy as a right winger, motivated by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity when they knew it was a lie. So, I am interested to know what political philosophy drove this guy.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/180#post_3484245
I'll gladly take my chances with having AR's and AK's in the hands of citizens rather than give up my rights to the government. Unless the 2nd amendment is altered the government has no authority to ban semi autos.
Gun sales in Colorado are up 41% since Thursday. I am going to try to sell off the AR and the Glock in the feeding frenzy. 3 months from now there will be a bunch of AR's up for sale cheap once people realize there aren't going to be any new bans passed because of this.
All I can say is, "DUCK!". Keep track of the serial number on your AR. If it ends up being used in another shooting carnage, you can proudly say "Hey, that was mine! Sorry some deranged person used it to kill a bunch of people, but at least his 2nd Amendment rights weren't violated!"
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/180#post_3484285
Bionic, When your significant other is taken from you by a drunk driver, and only the driver lives to tell about it... then tell me that alcohol doesn't kill. Tell me it doesn't when your son or daughter drinks so much that they poison themselves and have to get their stomach pumped or else they would die.
Sure it does. That's because we have people who've been charged with DUI 5 or 6 times, and the courts just let them off with probation. We've had four trials here in San Antonio in the last six months for DUI drivers that killed or maimed someone. Every jury gave them probation and let them go. They had a trial from some guy that's been convicted for DUI 6 TIMES, and he was still let go on probation. Some rich woman drives the tires off her Mercedes, and ran over two kids playing in their yard. She got off because she said she had taken Ambien and was "sleep driving". Until they create tougher laws and zero tolerance policies, incidents will continue to happen. Until they pass some type of legislation that restricts or bans individuls from purchasing assault-type weapons that are capable of firing 30 or more rounds, incidents like this one in Colorado will continue to happen. You can make the argument about the same incidents occuring using knives, pistols, long rifles, shotguns, etc.. but the statistics will always show that there would be fewer victims, whether they are killed are simply injured by a bullet, if the assailant wsn't using an assault weapon during the attack. I guarantee you that if this kid didn't have that AR, there wouldn't have been 12 dead, and over 59 injured in this incident. So to protect your right to own these assault weapons, you're OK that there may be more people injured or killed because of it.
 

darthtang aw

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Sure it does.  That's because we have people who've been charged with DUI 5 or 6 times, and the courts just let them off with probation.  We've had four trials here in San Antonio in the last six months for DUI drivers that killed or maimed someone.  Every jury gave them probation and let them go.  They had a trial from some guy that's been convicted for DUI 6 TIMES, and he was still let go on probation.  Some rich woman drives the tires off her Mercedes, and ran over two kids playing in their yard.  She got off because she said she had taken Ambien and was "sleep driving".  Until they create tougher laws and zero tolerance policies, incidents will continue to happen.  Until they pass some type of legislation that restricts or bans individuls from purchasing assault-type weapons that are capable of firing 30 or more rounds, incidents like this one in Colorado will continue to happen.  You can make the argument about the same incidents occuring using knives, pistols, long rifles, shotguns, etc.. but the statistics will always show that there would be fewer victims, whether they are killed are simply injured by a bullet, if the assailant wsn't using an assault weapon during the attack.  I guarantee you that if this kid didn't have that AR, there wouldn't have been 12 dead, and over 59 injured in this incident.  So to protect your right to own these assault weapons, you're OK that there may be more people injured or killed because of it.
To protect your right to drink you are ok with allowing people to drink and purchase alcohol whenever they want in whatever amounts they want. You could pass a law...1 drink per hour maximum in bars. This would greatly reduce DWI and those killed by it. 6 times is nothing. There was a guy here in new mexico with 56 dui charges against him in his past. Most were dropped before the jury even heard the case. mainly due to a stupid rule that all dwi cases must be viewed within 6 months of the charge. Lawyers filed motions delaying the cases all the time. They finally got their shit together on that stupid law though.
The Jury doesn't pass sentencing. The Jury votes them guilty. The judge passes sentencing.......civics 101.
 

darthtang aw

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And since you love the wet vs. dry debate...
Analysis of the data shows the “dry” counties examined have the lowest average per capita DUI convictions at .76 percent, followed by the “moist” counties with .84 percent and the “wet” counties with 1.12 percent.
DUI almost cut in half by going dry.............................which would save more lives? weapons ban, or alcohol ban?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/200#post_3484578
To protect your right to drink you are ok with allowing people to drink and purchase alcohol whenever they want in whatever amounts they want. You could pass a law...1 drink per hour maximum in bars. This would greatly reduce DWI and those killed by it. 6 times is nothing. There was a guy here in new mexico with 56 dui charges against him in his past. Most were dropped before the jury even heard the case. mainly due to a stupid rule that all dwi cases must be viewed within 6 months of the charge. Lawyers filed motions delaying the cases all the time. They finally got their shit together on that stupid law though.
The Jury doesn't pass sentencing. The Jury votes them guilty. The judge passes sentencing.......civics 101.
Wrong. In all these cases the jury decided the punishment because that's what the defendent requested. Guess you failed or never took Civics 101.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/200#post_3484579
And since you love the wet vs. dry debate...
Analysis of the data shows the “dry” counties examined have the lowest average per capita DUI convictions at .76 percent, followed by the “moist” counties with .84 percent and the “wet” counties with 1.12 percent.
DUI almost cut in half by going dry.............................which would save more lives? weapons ban, or alcohol ban?
Where did you come up with those statistics? DUI's occur all the time in the Dallas area, and half the communities surrounding Dallas are "dry".
 

bionicarm

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Guess this "Joker" didn't get a chance to use his cache of weapons to go kill a bunch of people. Doesn't look like he had an assault weapon on his list. By Reef's and Darth's logic, he'd only have killed 5 or 6, and maybe injured only about 20. Guess his potential victims could've considered themselves fortunate. Hey Jerth, is this another definition of one of your "responsible gun owners"?
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/27/12993058-maryland-man-arrested-with-dozens-of-weapons-says-hes-the-joker?lite
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/200#post_3484574
All I can say is, "DUCK!". Keep track of the serial number on your AR. If it ends up being used in another shooting carnage, you can proudly say "Hey, that was mine! Sorry some deranged person used it to kill a bunch of people, but at least his 2nd Amendment rights weren't violated!"
Your boy 0bama and Eric Holder are responsible for more gun deaths of American citizens in the first year of their administration through fast and furious than that of all the guns I have even owned or those of all the people I have even known. Thats a lot of dam guns.
 
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