MUST READ!!! responsible SW hobbiests needed! explanation to 1journeyman

guille

guille

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The most that you can do as a LFS is inform the customer. I have had ppl that would not, will not and never will listen. For whatever reason they are 100% sure that a sailfin and a scopus (sp?) will do just fine in a 37 bowfront. I told them that I would bet a years pay that they were going to lose a fish more than likely both. After 30 min. of showing them why, they said "bag it" Have not seen them for quite awhile. If I hade refused a sale they would go somewhere else. I did my best to inform.
 
1boatnut

1boatnut

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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2540112
The responsibility to research is on the hobbyist, no matter how you look at it.
Very true,but sometimes although the hobbyist may think they are doing the research,they may not always get truthful information.This is a very opinionated hobby.
Although it may not be a 100% responsibility of the seller,they do however need to share it.
If you don't agree,ask the tobacco companies.
Ask the bartender who may be at risk if he/she overserves someone and they in turn cause harm to themselves or others. Although we/I may not agree,this is fact.
The argument that if someone does not sell something the consumer will just go somewhere else to get it, actually does place more of the responsibility back on the seller/s.
Without supply,there could be no demand,so responsible sellers(in essence) could help control the market.
The real truth is we live in a society where we need to place blame somewhere,that is something that will never change.
 
espkh9

espkh9

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Just a side note Powder Blue Tangs should be considered EXPERT ONLY I did not read the thread nor do I have an opinion. Just I saw a lot od super specials on PBT if you do not consider yourself close to an expert aquarist please do not purchase a PBT.
 
globaldesigns

globaldesigns

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Wango Tango,
The way you put it the second time I do agree with. I guess it is the way you came across the first time. It was a little harsh.
It all comes down to finding a good LFS, research on your part and the help of others.
 
afboundguy

afboundguy

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1boatnut;2540178 said:
Although it may not be a 100% responsibility of the seller,they do however need to share it.
If you don't agree,ask the tobacco companies.
Ask the bartender who may be at risk if he/she overserves someone and they in turn cause harm to themselves or others. Although we/I may not agree,this is fact.
The argument that if someone does not sell something the consumer will just go somewhere else to get it, actually does place more of the responsibility back on the seller/s.
Without supply,there could be no demand,so responsible sellers(in essence) could help control the market.QUOTE]
I couldn't agree with you more. It is def a combination of the buyer and the seller's responsibility. As someone who used to be a bartender while I was in college I took that very seriously. It wasn't just the legal aspect that made me take it seriously but also the fact that if I ever overserved someone and they killed themselves of someone else I would never be able to get that out of my mind for the rest of my life.
If you have someone like that was mentioned above where you took 30 mins telling them that the fish would die in their small tank and they still said bag it, you should have said "I'm sorry I can't." You said that you haven't seen them since, so what would have been the difference if you refused to sell them the fish? The fish could still be alive and maybe in an experienced hobbyist tank that could give them the proper care. If they went to another store and then that store didn't sell them the fish then we help with the supply vs demand. If every store sells the experienced hobbyist fish to every Joe Schmo then the demand goes up for these fish.
Also as mentioned in one of my previous posts I respect LFSs for not selling me fish/corals/inverts before my tank is ready. They are doing their part in helping with the supply vs demand problem. I believe it is the responsibility of everyone in this hobby to make sure we protect the reefs and if it means upsetting some inexperienced hobbyist so be it. Hopefully it will be a slap in the face and they will learn from it. If not they will waste tons and tons of money and hopefully go broke so they can't be in the hobby anymore

God I love this hobby... So much to argue and talk about
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mscarpena

mscarpena

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AMEN to what you are saying afboundguy. I could not agree more with what you are saying. I think that people should bocott the hard or impossible to keep species and then they will live as they should in the wild. If you can not keep it alive it should not be collected and the only way to stop these people from collecting them is if responsible reef keepers such as us stop buying these species. I love the posts where people buy stuff because it's cheap and then you see the post of what is this, how do I care for this and you have to tell them that it will starve to death and die. People should research every purchase before they buy. I agree with many of you guys that there are great people and this forum is a great resource so people should use it before they waste there money on something that will just end up dieing when it would be wiser to buy something that would live and leave the coral to live in the ocean.
 
mscarpena

mscarpena

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Absolutely. There are many things in this hobby that should not be sold. Carnation corals, Sea apples, Sharks/rays(to most people), most starfish, and the list goes on and on. I have made some of these mistakes in the past and bought the impossible to care for. That was 5-6 years ago before all of these forums popped up. This is a great site and people should use the resources that they have available to them to make informed and good descions. Also that does not mean that all of your livestock will live 100% and thrive. I to this day have a coral here or there that will not make it.
 
bronco300

bronco300

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Originally Posted by 1boatnut
http:///forum/post/2540178
The real truth is we live in a society where we need to place blame somewhere,that is something that will never change.

agreed, lets blame anyone else except ourselves for buying these hard to impossible creatures
 
flricordia

flricordia

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I agree. SWF is the only seller that I know of that has a very active forum that one can ask questions about the livestock before buying it. But as also stated, one can only gain experiance from hands on and hopefully have the help and guidence along the way by hanging around the firum.
I myself bought 2 ricordea polyps several years ago and didn't know anything about them, they just looked pretty. Now I know much about them, though I still know very little too. But I never would have known first hand about them if I hadn't have bought those two that I knew nothing about in the beginning.
But I do also agree, do some research before hand if you see a fish at a good price. It is easy to get good info here, I have never been dissapointed in the replies I have gotten when asking for help or information abotu a certain species.
 
espkh9

espkh9

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unless you know how to do Hypo correctly and have proper QT please be a responsible aquarist and only house inhabitants that you can care for I see SWF.com offer its many times as its super special which is great I got mine fron them and it's doing great over 6 months but just because it is a pretty fish please buy it if you can care for it. this is by no means discouriging anyone from buying from swf.com i love them and I always buy from them. Just please not the Powder Blue Tang is an expert only fish. just my opinion.
 
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