My first attempt at hard coral is failing!

I'm new to corals but my first coral was an SPS. If you are looking to try something different maybe try a montipora digitata. Mine is growing very well and I don't even have MH lights. The key with any tank is stability. Once you get those other test kits let us know what your alk and mag readings are.
 

stanlalee

Active Member
1rst and foremost dont even worry about it. your tank doesn't appear to have any outwardly issues with nutrients/water quality. your parameters are okay. I have sps in my tank bought at the same time from the same place with one doing great (super color, great polyp extention ect) and right next to it one that looks like crap. the one that looks good is suppose to be the "hard" one. some have done great from the beginning, some never looked right from day one (damn mail order). I've had some that looked perfectly good for weeks and months and woke up with it looking like yours. I've broken off the dead portion to have the other portion do perfectly fine with NO changes to the tank at all. go figure. I put too much GFO in and bleached a cap completely in 12hrs. then there's the 85% that do perfectly fine the whole time. one, what appears to be wild colony, of birdsnest isn't enough indication that you are doomed to have problems.
1) consider taking the rocks you have, drilling them and sliding them over a plastic rod (garden stake for example) to make two tall columns so you can place sps up high otherwise consider more rock or 400w halides or at least 250w with high end reflectors. 150w just wont cut it for SPS the way your aquascaped.
2) what exactly are your GPH flow numbers? I find whats high flow to non sps aquarium owners and sps aquarium owners are very different. everytime I suggest something I get the "you'll be blowing stuff all over" with flow rates that many sps tanks have trippled. rarely will a return pump alone however big it is offer enough flow for a SPS tank unless you have multiple branch offs throughout the tank which I just dont see.
3) lots of that birdsnest at this point is savable. snap off the ends above the dead portion, glue em to rubble or a plug. you may want to invest in a frag rack where you can keep sps frags up high until you do something about the aquascape or lighting.
4) dont buy large colonies like that anymore. aquacultured frags do much better. REAL aquacultured frags not a large colony snapped up and sold as aquacultured.
5) I garauntee you experienced SPS keepers with years of experience and the best of equipment have had unexplained failures with SPS. thats actually the fun of sps. they are just boring sticks otherwise. its the getting them to survive, grow, extend polyps and color well that makes them more entertaining and desirable than LPS that you have a hard time killing if you tried to.
 

oceansidefish

Active Member
I think lighting may be a problem in your tank. With only 150w bulbs that is alot of water to penetrate through... You would be much better off with say one 400w halide. You could just go FOWLR and set up a reef tank somewhere else!
 

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by Stanlalee
http:///forum/post/3020180
1rst and foremost dont even worry about it. your tank doesn't appear to have any outwardly issues with nutrients/water quality. your parameters are okay. I have sps in my tank bought at the same time from the same place with one doing great (super color, great polyp extention ect) and right next to it one that looks like crap. the one that looks good is suppose to be the "hard" one. some have done great from the beginning, some never looked right from day one (damn mail order). I've had some that looked perfectly good for weeks and months and woke up with it looking like yours. I've broken off the dead portion to have the other portion do perfectly fine with NO changes to the tank at all. go figure. I put too much GFO in and bleached a cap completely in 12hrs. then there's the 85% that do perfectly fine the whole time. one, what appears to be wild colony, of birdsnest isn't enough indication that you are doomed to have problems.
1) consider taking the rocks you have, drilling them and sliding them over a plastic rod (garden stake for example) to make two tall columns so you can place sps up high otherwise consider more rock or 400w halides or at least 250w with high end reflectors. 150w just wont cut it for SPS the way your aquascaped.
2) what exactly are your GPH flow numbers? I find whats high flow to non sps aquarium owners and sps aquarium owners are very different. everytime I suggest something I get the "you'll be blowing stuff all over" with flow rates that many sps tanks have trippled. rarely will a return pump alone however big it is offer enough flow for a SPS tank unless you have multiple branch offs throughout the tank which I just dont see.
3) lots of that birdsnest at this point is savable. snap off the ends above the dead portion, glue em to rubble or a plug. you may want to invest in a frag rack where you can keep sps frags up high until you do something about the aquascape or lighting.
4) dont buy large colonies like that anymore. aquacultured frags do much better. REAL aquacultured frags not a large colony snapped up and sold as aquacultured.
5) I garauntee you experienced SPS keepers with years of experience and the best of equipment have had unexplained failures with SPS. thats actually the fun of sps. they are just boring sticks otherwise. its the getting them to survive, grow, extend polyps and color well that makes them more entertaining and desirable than LPS that you have a hard time killing if you tried to.

Thank you so much. You made me feel alot better. I was so frustrated by the whole situation. It is hard watching a $50 piece of coral die, especially when it is so beautiful. How would you recommend I cut the healthy pieces? Can I apoxy them up higher on the wall? I've seen other people do that.
How do you measure GPH?
The lights are only 4 months old. My husband would never go for an upgrade right now. It would only make him mad. (I'm sure when he finds out the coral died I will never hear the end of it.) Next time it is time to replace the lights, I will definatly upgrade. I like the pole idea.
I will try to save as many pieces of this coral as I can and I won't try sps again until I can do something about the lighting. Thank you again!
 

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by Oceansidefish
http:///forum/post/3020182
I think lighting may be a problem in your tank. With only 150w bulbs that is alot of water to penetrate through... You would be much better off with say one 400w halide. You could just go FOWLR and set up a reef tank somewhere else!
My other corals are doing OK. I think maybe I just don't have enough light to keep sps. I am surprised though because as I said earlier, my clam and anem are doing great.
 

stanlalee

Active Member
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3020218
How would you recommend I cut the healthy pieces? Can I apoxy them up higher on the wall? I've seen other people do that.
How do you measure GPH?
I just use wire cutters (I think thats what they are) to cut mine. heavy duty scissors. really doesn't matter as long as you can cut it clean where you want to cut it. I dont see a problem with epoxying high on the wall if you dont mind epoxy on the wall. As for gallons per hour you can start by the rating on your return pump. from that we can "assume" a certain percentage of pumping loss pushing the water up and thru the piping. the taller the tank and the more outlets you have the higher the pumping loss is going to be
 

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by Stanlalee
http:///forum/post/3020246
I just use wire cutters (I think thats what they are) to cut mine. heavy duty scissors. really doesn't matter as long as you can cut it clean where you want to cut it. I dont see a problem with epoxying high on the wall if you dont mind epoxy on the wall. As for gallons per hour you can start by the rating on your return pump. from that we can "assume" a certain percentage of pumping loss pushing the water up and thru the piping. the taller the tank and the more outlets you have the higher the pumping loss is going to be
Ok, I'm really not trying to be a pain here, but I don't see a rating on my return pump.
 

nycbob

Active Member
from the look of it, the flow isn good at all. the lighting is a bit weak at 150w for such a tall tank. also, most wild sps dont adjust well to captivity. as for someone mentioning fragging the sps, its too late. its already all the way to the tips.
 

nina&noah

Member
Can I upgrade the bulbs one at a time? What if I upgraded to 400 watts on one side and left the other side at 150? I could keep the easier corals on one side and the SPS on the other.
Would that look funny? How much do 400 watt bulbs cost?
 

oceansidefish

Active Member
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3020357
Can I upgrade the bulbs one at a time? What if I upgraded to 400 watts on one side and left the other side at 150? I could keep the easier corals on one side and the SPS on the other.
Would that look funny? How much do 400 watt bulbs cost?
It's unfortunately not just popping in a new bulb...You have to have a ballast rated for a 400w light
 

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by Oceansidefish
http:///forum/post/3020364
It's unfortunately not just popping in a new bulb...You have to have a ballast rated for a 400w light
Thats funny, I just got off of the phone with my mom and she told me the same thing. I thought I could just stick any bulb in. Glad I have smarter people around me to stop me before I do something stupid!
 

nina&noah

Member
Ok, I fragged about 5 pieces that didn't have any white on them at all. They are tiny little pieces (the only way I could get any without the white). I placed them in different parts of the tank. I guess we will see what happens. If any of them make it, I will let you know. I thank everyone for their responses. If nothing else, I learned alot.
 

jackri

Active Member
I wish the pictures showed up at work so I could see -- but glad someone already gave you info on the bulbs/ballasts.
The pendant I have for my frag tank takes either 250 or 400w bulb... but the ballast is still only rated for 250w bulb... so if I ever wanted to upgrade it would still take a ballast and a bulb

Side tangent -- had someone come over to get some corals but didn't really know what kind of lighting they had and started asking questions for the next hour and kept saying... "sorry i have another question"
Funny but I like answering easy questions (not implying yours but hers) and try and prevent mistakes I made in the past.
Sent her home without corals as I didn't have a clue as to what lighting she had which ended up being Power Compact.
Reefers are wierd
 

jackri

Active Member
I wouldn't worry so much of your gph coming from your return pump because adding a couple of maxi jets or insert the brand of your choice power heads adds flow where you want it without getting too much in just one area.
 
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