my new 10gal

[beaslbob]

Gee with all the flames I get, I though I could start all over. So why not do something hard like a 10g? This way you can flame my "non standard, experimental" methods here. And, of course, I should stress the system just to make sure it really fails. And I should report here from time to time with pictures for your fl woops comments.
But first I have to clean the room:

 

[shanev]

bob its not the "non standard, experimental" methods that you present that gets you flamed.
Its when you present them as absoulte facts that gets you flamed.

 

[buzz]

How about this for an experiment? You all ready have a set up using the methods you swear by.
Why not set this up using the more popular, current methods that everyone here has been advocating, and compare the differences in results?
Then judge for yourself which are more productive.

 

[beaslbob]

Originally posted by Buzz
How about this for an experiment? You all ready have a set up using the methods you swear by.
Why not set this up using the more popular, current methods that everyone here has been advocating, and compare the differences in results?
Then judge for yourself which are more productive.
Not exactly true. My current set up was not by 'my' methods. It just got a whole lot better the more 'my' methods were used. For instance the first three month there were no macros or marine plants in the system. Also conducted 10% weekly water changes. So I repeated my experience from the late 70's with the same unsucessful results.

 

[buzz]

But your 10% water changes weren't with a fresh batch of saltwater. You simply swapped water from another existing tank if I remember correctly. When I say your methods, I mean the methods you have been advocating. Whether you invented them or not is off my point. They are methods that, as I am sure at this point you have seen, are considered unconventional and out of date by many.
You admit that your results were unsuccesful. I appreciate that concession. You have come across rather firm in your beliefs of the proper methods to use.
My suggestion here is simply to try out some of the newer methods, that were developed based on trial and error, quite possibly stemming from the methods you used in the 70's, and just recently. I am sure that others too met with a lack of success using these, and developed them further based on that.
The choice is, of course, yours. I am merely offering a suggestion.

 

[beaslbob]

Originally posted by Buzz
But your 10% water changes weren't with a fresh batch of saltwater.
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thanks for the suggestion.
Buzz respectifully you missed my point. I did do 10% weekly water changes when I started my current 55g last october. And I did weekly 10% water changes on both my fresh and salt tanks back in the late 70's. Three months after I set up the 55g noone had told me of marine plants or macro algae. After some research combined with trial and error I then applied these "unproven experiemntal" methods to my current system. I consider my current system stable and successful. My fresh tanks have been and are extremely low maintenance and highly sucessful. So what I am thinking is to use these "unproven and experiemntal" methods to a brand new clean saltwater setup right from the start. Of course with modifications to account for the differences between salt and fresh tank, and using the "unproven and experimental" methods of inland saltwater public aquariums.

 

[buzz]

Originally posted by beaslbob
I consider my current system stable and successful.
If you did water changes previously using fresh batches of saltwater, then I wasn't aware of that. I can only go by those posts you have recently made regarding the meltdown of your system, and the steps you used during that time. And in light of those, I don't see how you can say your current system is stable and successful.
Are there alternate methods to achieve similar results? Yes, of course.
Freshwater tanks do not require the same care and maintenance as saltwater tanks though, so success with those does not imply success with the other. Two different animals.
Look...I don't want to refuel anything all ready addressed. I wish you the best with your new tank.

 

[beaslbob]

Originally posted by Buzz
If you did water changes previously using fresh batches of saltwater, then I wasn't aware of that. I can only go by those posts you have recently made regarding the meltdown of your system, and the steps you used during that time. And in light of those, I don't see how you can say your current system is stable and successful.
Neither system melted down. the main problem was some newly received feather macros the died or went sexual in the macro tank. The end result there was faster growing macros.
the 55g never lost any livestock and even had a BCS molt. Additionally, the algae bloom (after increased lighting) continued to clear up with several rocks now back to thier base color. My concern was high nitrAte levels which turned out to be a bad nitrAte test kit.
Look...I don't want to refuel anything all ready addressed. I wish you the best with your new tank.
thanks. should be interesting and light hearted. I think i can stretch this out a few months

 

[nacl-man]

Originally posted by beaslbob
Gee with all the flames I get, I though I could start all over. So why not do something hard like a 10g? This way you can flame my "non standard, experimental" methods here. And, of course, I should stress the system just to make sure it really fails. And I should report here from time to time with pictures for your fl woops comments.
Please tell me you do not intend to setup a tank doomed to failure. A tank that you will willingly overstress and destroy just to start the inevitable 'i told you so' posts?
Please tell me that you are being sarcastic.
Everyone has their own opinions and different methods, however setting up an experiment such as proposed is just cruel.
I will just assume you are being sarcastic and leave it at that.