Naso/Blonde Naso Tang

[browniebuck]

If I can ever get in touch with my LFS guy about setting my 125 up...I would like to get either a Naso or a Blonde Naso tang. I am wondering about their streamers. Do they all get streamers eventually? When/what size should you generally expect to see their streamers begin to show?
I am planning on one of the Naso's, and a clown tang for sure (LFS won't sell until they are eating...then will tell me what they are eating), and possibly one other tang (not a definite), a group of 3 to 5 firefish (purple and regular), 2 clowns (currently have single clowns in 2 different tanks, may combine them once 125 is ready as there is a slight difference in size), a half black angel (already have), either a flame, coral beauty, or a lemonpeel angel, a longnose butterfly, and eventually a mandarin.

 

[rcreations]

Males have streamers, females don't. They should start getting them around 5".

 

[eric b 125]

thats a really serious stocklist for a 125.
by the way, wet pets has some beautiful red sea blonde naso's.

 

[aquaknight]

IMHO, a Naso with streamers is really, already too large for a 125 (and so is a Clown tang). If you wanted to get a small one and raise for a year or 2, till it outgrows the tank and you upgrade, or sell it, that's one thing. But a large Naso, really needs a large tank.
Your stocklist really isn't that bad,
2 tangs
2 dwarf angels or a dwarf and a butterfly
Firefish
2 clowns
mandarin
It's just some of the fish selected, don't really belong in a 125gal. That said, you have two other non-topic issues. Combining established solitary clownfish usually does not work. Both clowns have likely begun the change to female, which they can not revert back to male, resulting in one of the clowns killing the other. I also really don't recommend more then a pair of firefish. They exclusively live in pairs in the wild. More then a pair often results in fighting/one of the firefish tile/carpet surfing.

 

[sean48183]

I think your stock list is fine and could even go more if your not keeping corals(which I assume you are with that stock list). Like -- said Naso's get around 5". If you buy one around that size you should be able to keep him for a long time if not for the fishes full life. Saltwater fish only reach about half their wild size in captivity putting the naso around 9" at full captive size. I am assuming your 125g is a 6' tank though as naso's do need alot of swimming room. Mine swims back and forth across the tank all day. Also if you buy one ask questions on here about feeding tips as they are notoriously hard to get to feed. Mine was the hardest fish I ever had to get to eat(Now he eats everything I put in the tank.) Good luck!

 

[browniebuck]

in looking at adult sizes, the tangs that I like are probably too big for my 125 (it seems, no matter how big of a tank I get...my "dream" fish are always too big for it).
I am really trying to choose my fish based on color...a little of this, a little of that, etc... How about.....
Bristletooth tomini tang (tan-ish gray with orange in place of Naso)
Lavender tang (multi-colored...in place of clown tang)
Long nosed butterfly (yellow)
new pair of ocellaris or true percula clowns (unless I find a deal on black and whites) (orange...and/or black)
either group of firefish (I have heard differing opinions regarding groups) or a group of 3 to 5 anthias (1 male the rest female) (purple, red, possibly orangeish/yellow)
another dwarf angel (really wanted a large angel...but decided against) (orange, blue, or yellow)
mandarin (orange, green, blue, red)
in total that would be between 11 and 14 fish (14 I am sure is pushing it). I know that seems like a lot, but the clowns, firefish, and mandarin will all stay relatively small and not produce a ridiculous bio-load. The only fish that will get above 4" are the tangs, butterfly, and possibly the anthias (if I go that route instead of the firefish).
If I were to line all of these fish up at adult size head to tail along the front of the glass (I know that this will never happen)...I would have 8" + 7" (tangs) + 3 x 5" (firefish) + 9" (butterfly) + 4" + 4" (angels) + 3" + 3" (clowns) + 4" (mandarin) = 60 inches. The tank is 72" long, which leaves a foot of space just laterally, not including the depth of the tank as well as the height of the tank.
Not a newbie trying to counter any criticism, just putting it out there that I have given this list some pretty in depth thought.

 

[browniebuck]

Eric...we were going to go to Wet Pets yesterday...but there is absolutely NOTHING else between Canton and McMurray, so the wife nixed that idea (rightfully so, we don't have the tank set up yet).

 

[small triggers]

i would worry about the two tangs you chose getting along they are both from the Ctenocheatus ... and as such will probably kill each other,,, you may want to think about a gold rim tang (would replace the tannish of the tomini) or an atlantic blue tang (to replace the lavender) I would replace one or the other, keeping whichever out of the first two you want more..
Other than that your choices look good, anthias do need really good water quality and are a hard fish to keep alive...but very beautiful. I would like to ask what kind of equipment you are going to be using? what have you thought about for filtration and skimming?

 

[browniebuck]

The scientific name of the bristletooth tang is Ctenochaetus tominiensis, the scientific name of the lavender tang is Acanthurus nigrofuscus.
These two fish are VERY different looking, one has a pointed nose while the other has more of a flat nose, one has an a tail that forms a "v" while the other has a tail that forms a "c", and one has a body that is more or less an oval while the other has a body that is kind of tear-drop shaped.
Are you sure that they are the same family? In looking at all tangs, they are in the family Acanthuridae, but there are Zebrasoma, Acanthurus, Ctenochaetus, Naso, and Paracanthurus varieties in the family. It has been my understanding that you could get away with individuals from different groups though there may still be aggression issues...

 

[sean48183]

They should be fine in a tank that size except a little tail slapping when they run across each other occasionally. 14 fish is not too many as I have 17 in my 150g and have had as many as 20. Good filtration is the key and mixing fish of the same tempermant which most of your fish are. Also if you really want the naso try it. One thing I have learned in this hobby is you have to try some things yourself to see if they work. Some advice is great but not all of it. For every 3 times I go against the grain 2 times things work out. Of course the one time can be a mess(Thinking a lunar wrasse would be reef safe because he doesn't eat corals!

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[browniebuck]

Originally Posted by small triggers
http:///forum/post/3179564
I would like to ask what kind of equipment you are going to be using? what have you thought about for filtration and skimming?
The skimmer that came with the tank says "Proteinsimmer Sander Ozonereaktor"...but it was made in West Germany...so I am pretty sure that it is quite old (not too sure how good it is, however the previous owner had a white tipped reef shark in the tank...he gave it to a local aquarium when it outgrew the tank). The tank also came with an Ocean Clear system, a single overflow box, as well as a wet/dry. I bought an ViaAqua 3600 pump. I will also be transferring 4 different powerheads for movement from my 55.
I am growing impatient with my LFS guy...3 calls and no return call to get this thing up and running (I won't be able to do anything myself until after the first of the year at the absolute earliest...recovering from shoulder surgery). Anybody in NE Ohio willing to help for a fee?

 

[small triggers]

hey i was looking at the lavendar tang on this site, stated to be a Ctenochaetus nigrofuscus,,,, looking further and on fishbase it is Acanthurus nigrofuscus.... so,,,,, you are CORRECT... oh and as far as the skimmer, i guess just wait and see...all of your equipment sounds decent..