Need help with PVC pipe and cement.

mlm

Active Member
I am new to using PVC pipe so I have a couple of questions (I know absolutly nothing about plumbing).
1. What kind of glue or other adhesive do you use to connect the piping?
2. Do you apply it on the inside or the outside or both?
Please include any other helpful hints that you would recommend for someone new to plumbing a tank.
 

marinerock

Member
HI MLM.....
FIRST, YOU MUST USE PVC CEMENT OR AQUARIUM SILICONE ONLY
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT JOINED.....
IF ITS SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO REMOVE OR
ADD TO AT A LATER TIME...THEN YOU SHOULD USE SILICONE...
IF ITS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW FOR SURE YOURE NOT
GOING TO WANT TO REMOVE OR ADD TO AT A LATER TIME...
THEN USE PVC CEMENT....AND ANYWHERE THERE IS HIGH PRESSURE,SUCH AS FROM THE FITTING INTO A CHECK VALVE...ITS A GOOD IDEA TO USE PVC CEMENT...
FOR EXAMPLE...I WOULD NOT USE PVC CEMENT ON THE BULKHEADS IN MY OVERFLOWS BECAUSE YOU CAN NEVER REMOVE
THEM IF YOU WERE TO MOVE THE TANK TO ANOTHER LOCATION...
ALSO, REMEMBER THIS MAIN POINT...WHEN USING PVC CEMENT...
YOU MUST KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT THE PIPE POSITIONED AS ONCE YOU JOIN THE PIECES, YOU CAN NOT REPOSITION THEM...ITS PERMANANTLY AFFIXED !!!
YOU SHOULD PLACE PVC CEMENT OR SILICONE,WHICHEVER ONE YOU DECIDE ON USING, ON THE OUTSIDE OF ONE PIPE AND THE INSIDE OF THE PIPE IT WILL BE SLIDING INTO...
WHEN JOINING THEM...YOU MUST WORK FAST AND IN ONE MOTION, SLIDE IT IN AS FAR AS YOU WANT THE PVC PIPE TO GO...
WITH PVC CEMENT...ITS ONE CHANCE ONLY.....
HOPE THIS HELPS....SORRY FOR THE LONG POST EVERYONE....
REGARDS...
MARINEROCK
 

mlm

Active Member
This helps a lot thank you. If you have more info or anyone else have more info by all means post it please.
 

marinerock

Member
MLM.....
REALLY THE MAIN THING TO REMEMBER IS...
ONCE THE 2 PIECES OF CEMENTED PVC TOUCH EACH OTHER...
YOU HAVE ONLY MAYBE 1 SEC. TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO...
REALLY AS FAR AS I KNOW...THE ONLY PLACES I FEEL HAVE TO
BE PVC CEMENTED IS THE FITTINGS GOING ONTO THE
CHECK VALVE WHERE THIS IS A HIGH PRESSURE AREA....AND
IF YOU HAVE TO PUT 2 FITTINGS TOGETHER TO REDUCE OR
INCREASE A LINE FOR TUBING NEAR THE PUMP...
OTHERWISE...AQUARIUM SILICONE HAS WORKED FINE....
REGARDS...
MARINEROCK
 

aggie05

Member
I'll try not to shout in my response:p
One other thing you can do when you join pvc is to scuff up the ends that are going to be glued. This will help it hold even better. Just take some medium grit sandpaper and run it around the end of the pipe a few times until it is mildly scuffed. Then do the same to the inside of the connection you are using and add the cement. This will ensure that it never comes off.;)
 

aggie05

Member
Because it is considered shouting when chatting. But I'm sure you aleady know this. I am assuming you post at work and always have the caps on for your job. Correct?
 

kennynj

Member
WHEN USING PVC, FIRST PLAN OUT YOUR
PLUMBING CUT YOUR PIECES AND PUT
TOGETHER DRY TO MAKE SURE IT ALL
FITS CORRECTLY. THEN YOU USE FIRST
PVC PRIMER THIS CLEANS THE PVC IN
PREP TO CEMENTING. THEN PUT CEMENT
ON THE PIPE OR FITTING WHICH EVER.
PUSH THE PART TOGETHER AND HOLD FOR
SEVERAL SECONDS THATS IT YOUR DONE.
 

broomer5

Active Member
mlm,
Layout your parts and make sure you have what you need before you start cementing them together.
Connect all the pieces of pipe and fittings first, by doing a "dry-run"
If you get confused - you can mark each piece with a marker or piece of tape - numbered in order of assembly.
Doing the "dry-run" first - may eliminate some problems later.
Remember this - when you fit pieces together dry - the dimensions will be a little different than when you assemble them with cement. Normally - I press them together "harder/farther" when cementing them. You want the fittings to "bottom-out" when pressed together. In other words - slide them together as far as they will go. Dry run's normally do not allow them to slide togehter all the way.
Use a good quality PVC cement and PRIMER. Both should carry the NSF rating for potable water service. Most all PVC cements and primers carry this rating - but I've seen some for industrial applications that don't. Look on the lable or ask the plumbing department guy that it's for "potable" water and you'll be fine.
If you have a lot of cuts to make - invest in a PVC handheld pipe cutter. This tool is sweet - and makes it a lot easier to make clean straight cuts of pipe.
Anywhere you want to be able to "disconnect" the piping structure - use a pvc union. These allow you to "break" the assembly, by unscrewing the union, and then reassembling them together later. I use a union on all my pumps as one of the first fittings. This way - I can remove my return pump for maintenance and cleaning - without disturbing all the piping above it.
I like to let the joints dry/cure overnight before running any water through them. It's not necessary - but it allows for a good solid connection - and allows some of the "fumes" to dissipate.
I've never had a leaker yet on a "glued" pvc pipe joint.
 

broomer5

Active Member
Here's what the PVC union looks like.
It's the large white fitting just above the return pump.
It comes apart -and goes back together real easy.
 
Just do what these guys said, dry run + primer + glue. It is very easy, you will be surprised how easy. If you do it wrong or change your mind, the pieces dont apart, but it is very cheap to get new parts and do it again. Practice makes perfect, just jump in, you'll be great!
Good Luck
-Christine
;)
 

broomer5

Active Member
Richard
I use "plastic" hose clamps for all in sump wet hose/fitting connections. They work very well - but are a pain to remove once set in place and tight. You know - those snap type hose clamps.
I find it more convenient to just reach in and spin the pvc union collar - when I need to remove the pump. Seems a little more "rugged" to me, but certainly not the only way to do it.
That's all
 

scotts

Active Member
Hope I am not too late on this but I agree what has already been posted. Do a dry run first. Remember the pipe goes into the elbow so you need to leave room for this. Second rough up the PVC just a little bit. Use primer and when it dries the the glue. Also unions are a must. Once you hard plumb in a pump how will you remove the pump if you have to change the pump? Also keep in mind that all manufacturers sue their own thread pattern for unions. It is guaranteed that Bob's unions will not mate with Sam's unions.
Scott
 
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