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ohioballer

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55 gallon underground filter, millenium 2000 back filter 2 aquaclear 402 powerheads,going to put in bubble curtain or rock do need a protein skimmer and a wet/dry filter to have live rocks or will this be ok? and what is the shrimp cycling all about going to set up tank next week need some help ive read all kinds of books and watched lotz of videos they say i need skimmers and wet/dry ??????????????????
 

jim672

Member
Hi ohioballer,
Welcome to the board!
First things first.....if you don't have your tank set-up already, I'd suggest not using the undergravel filter. Although they are very useful in fresh water tanks, they're liable to cause you problems....down the raod in a sw tank.
There are a number of filtration options available to you: canister, wet/dry, refugium, etc. you may want to do a search on this site to get some more information on all of them before you proceed to purchase one.
Have you decided what you...ultimately...want to keep in your tank? If not, give that some thought. Will you have fish only; some coral; coral only; coral with clams? These choices will influence other choices you have to make, particularly what kind of lighting you need. Again,a search on "lighting" ( NO, VHO, PC, and MH) will provide you iformation about each.
You will be better off, regardless of your ultimate choice of livestock, if you include live rock in your tank. Most sw creatures need places to hide and live rock provides that and assists in your biological filteration. You'd also do well to consider live sand as the substrate. It, too, will assist in filtration.
Once you've made all these choices and set your tank up and added the sw , from de-inonized or reverse-osmosis water....then you need to add a cocktail shrimp to help your tank begin its cycle . The decaying shrimp puts ammonia into your tank which will initiate the cycle which your filtration system (filter, lr, ls)will
over a period of weeks, breakdown.
You'll need some test kits for ammonia, ph, alk. A good skimmer is necessary but only after your tank is established and you have some fish in it.
Wow! Sorry to be so long-winded. There's alot to learn. Don't hesitate to ask questions and keep posting!!
good luck :D
Jim
 
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ohioballer

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im being told by lots of people that undergroung filters for saltwater isnt a bad thing but it seems like you disagree
 

mammafish

New Member
I have a Magnum 350 pro canister system with a pro60 bio-wheel and two 214 zoomed power sweeps.
No protein skimmer. We have a bubble stone no curtain and have had no deaths with this setup and cycling. We used blue damsel fish and live to cycle our tank. It worked for us so far. We're also pretty new to this. Since January.
55gal
yellow tang
2 common clowns
cinnamon clown
2 jellyfish
anenomes
brittle dtarfish
3 turbo snails
60lbs live sand
20lbs live rock
flaming scallop
drift wood
 

kris

Member
The lots of people you heard from about ug's being ok certainly weren't from this board. Most here agree that they are not the best way to go. Theory being they along with the crushed coral on top will trap all the waste and cause large concentrations of nitrates to build. This is more significant if you're planning on a reef type system where corals and inverts and such can't handle much if any nitrates. If you're planning a simple fo or fowlr then go ahead just remember to clean and vacuum your cc and put your powerheads on top of those uplift tubes. The ug will be significantly more efficient this way.
Good Luck
 
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ohioballer

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so does anyone think with my setup i can have live rock sounding like maybe and if so can i put them right in with damsels during cycling process
 

jim672

Member
ohioballer,
If you insist on using the ug filter be certain to set it up and clean the cc as indicated by Kris.
Of course you can use live rock, as I tried to indicate in my first response. Live rock will do lots of good things for your tank including assisting your biological filtration and providing shelter for your fish. It also looks great once the coraline algea begins to grow on it!!
To begin your cycle, please consider using a raw cocktail shrimp. Using a damsel works but may very well kill the fish. If the fish lives through the cycle, you may decide you don't want it in your tank.....damsels are very territorial and get pretty nasty, especially when they're the first ones in a system.
Jim
 
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ohioballer

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thanx jim i guess i missunderstood you you all have been great help to me and dont worry i am a very very patient person i wanna wait till its perfect before adding fish to the tank. anymore suggestions you can email me at ohioballer@ameritech.net
 
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ohioballer

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and will my regular flourecent bubls work with live rock
 

jim672

Member
Do you have a hood with 2 30 watt bulbs? Are the bulbs new or used? If used, how old are they? If they're new or almost new, they will help algea grow on live rock, and will be okay for a fish only system but won't support anything else. If they're more than 6 months old, they should be replaced.....flourescent bulbs lose intensity over time.
If you have to replace them look for Coralife Full Spectrum (12,000K) and Actinic03 bulbs. Those will give your tank a nice look....but again, won't be nearly enough intensity to consider adding corals to your tank.
Jim
 
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ohioballer

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just to put everyone at ease today i bought a aqua-clear wet/dry filter 75 pro for my 55 gallon. it is rated for 75 gallons now guys what other advise do you have for me. And thank you for helping me see the error of my ways you guys on this board are great
 
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