Need some explanation of rocks.

robvia

Member
I need a little explanation of “live rock” and “cured live rock.” The way I understand it, live rock is rock from the ocean that has bacteria living on it. This bacteria is what processes the nitrogen cycle. The rock has many holes giving it lots of surface area. Many here talk about having lots of live rock in there tank. It seems there are different reasons why people want to see more rock.
From a bacteria view, what is the difference in the substrate of sand or crushed coral and the rock? Does more water move over the rock since it is more out in the open in the water? Does this offer better filtration? When people talk about filtration, do they really mean that it helps the nitrogen cycle better. If you have a sump with bio-balls does it offer a similar filtration as the live rock? Does it really matter where the bacteria is in your system, or does it only matter that it is in there somewhere?
If your rock ends up growing something you don’t want in your tank, such as red algae, what do you do? I started with some rock from a friend. I didn’t really know what all the stuff on it was at first. After I put it in my tank at the start, before any fish where in it, I found out most of it was nuisance algae. It was suggested that I clean it with bleach to get the unwanted stuff off. Since the tank was not finished, I removed all the rocks from my tank. I didn’t really want all the rocks that were in there anyway. I picked the ones I wanted to keep and cleaned with bleach and a brush. I even went so far as to use a Dremel tool brush to get off the stuff I couldn’t get off with a toothbrush. I put this cleaned rock back in the tank. At this point it would be just rock, I guess, because all the bacteria would have died in the cleaning process. Once it has been in the tank and has bacteria and algae growing on it again, will it be considered “live rock?”
I want to be able to see the fish I have, so I don’t really want to have a lot of rock and I don’t really have the experience to create a full reef yet. I have a few fish and crab and anemones. I want to add shrimp and more of what I have. People are saying they would like to see more live rock in the tank. That will give algae eaters, like my tang, room to graze along the rock. It will also give it many places to hide which it likes to do.
There are different kinds of live rock. Is that just where they are from and what type of bacteria typically grow on them?
What is the difference in “cured live rock” and “live rock?”
Thanks for all the help,
Rob
 
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tizzo

Guest
As far as your definition of "live rock", you are correct. Much surface area, hopefully heavily colonized by various beneficial microorganisms, sometimes tiny invertabrates, pink or purple coralline algea, and sometimes macro-algea (algea as big as plants). If you had to scrub off what you refered to as nuisance algea with a dremel tool, chances are that what you removed was in fact the DESIRABLE coralline algea. But don't worry about that because you have to throw away all of your no longer "live" rock anyway!! BLEACH!?!?!? If you read that it was either a joke, or you read it wrong, or the person was giving BAD advice!! Bleach killed your rock. throw the rock that you put bleach on away!!! Empty the tank, start over!!
Now, for cured rock... If you buy rock at your lfs it should be already cured and chances are that you can throw it straight into your tank. If you however buy rock on-line (highly recomend this sight), many of the microorganisms will die off on the trip to your house. You don't want to put a ton of dead organisms into your new tank because this will cause an ammonia spike that you would not believe, so you should cure it. To do this you put the rock in a "new" trashcan or rubbermaid bin, add a heater and a powerhead or two, fill the bin with saltwater then add the rock. In about three days it will stink to high heaven!! I did about 25% water changes daily until the water tests came back 0's for ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite, THEN you can put it in your display tank. Smell each piece, if any smell BAD, leave it in the curing bin a little longer.
This curing process usually takes around two weeks-IF the rock was cured from the sight you bought it. If not, and you have to cure uncured rock, it will take around 6 weeks...give or take. You rely mostly on the test kits!!
 

jlem

Active Member

Originally posted by robvia
I want to be able to see the fish I have, so I don’t really want to have a lot of rock

Beneficial bacteria will grow on anything and everything. Bacteria will grow on your substrate, rock, powerheads and even your glass. It does not take much rock to provide adequate biological filtration and It is not neccesary to pack your tank full of live rock since the rest of the tank is also housing beneficial bacteria. I personally like the open look with large corals and lots of swimming room for my fish. Tangs usually swim in the open around the reef and not really through the reef anyways.
 

nacl-man

Member
It is my opinion that all live rock must be cured before it goes into an established display. This is regardless of where it was purchased from. Die off will occur when the rock is removed from water so even 'cured' rock from your LFS will experience die off during the transportation home, not to mention you have no way of knowing how long that rock has been in the curing vat at the LFS.
Better safe than sorry if you ask me :)
My .02
 

robvia

Member
I like the look of your tank. I don't have any corals yet. Still getting used to this hobby. Can't relly tell from the picture, but how big is the tank and how much LR do you have in it. It looks like you have about as much coral as you do LR. What fish are in there and do you see them most of the time, or do they hide?
Thanks,
Rob
 

robvia

Member
The rock was cleaned with bleach outside of my tank and was given plenty of time for the bleach to evaporate before going back into the tank. I am not worried about chlorine in my tank. I have had healthy fish in it for over a month. The rock was cleaned over 2 months ago. Draining the tank now is not an option unless I wake up one day and all the fish are dead. If that happens, I will be posting equipment for sale.
 

jlem

Active Member

Originally posted by robvia
I like the look of your tank. I don't have any corals yet. Still getting used to this hobby. Can't relly tell from the picture, but how big is the tank and how much LR do you have in it. It looks like you have about as much coral as you do LR. What fish are in there and do you see them most of the time, or do they hide?
Thanks,
Rob

The tank is a 125 gallon. The fish are always in view because the tank is very open. The rocks are really big and I probably have a total of about 125lbs but that is a guess since The rocks came from a tank that I bought about 3 years ago and I never weighed them.
Fish have been in my custudy for between 2-5 years.
purple tang
yellow tang
flame angel
yellow tail damsel
percula clown
 
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