New 20Long HELP!!!!
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mboswell1982
Active Member
whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hold up, your plannin on adding all of those fish at once? STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP RIGHT THERE!!!!!
u dont add more than 1-2 fish at a time, especially in a newly cycled tank, it can throw a major load on your filtration an could possibly cause a massive spike in your parameters, and whipe out all of your fish.
you need to call em, cancel the order, except for the 2 clowns, or, if you have friends who can care for the others, let them take them for now.
basically, you do 1-2 fish every couple of weeks, say, the pair of clowns now, then in a couple of weeks, add the goby, then in a couple of weeks, add the firefish.
sorry carlos man, dont mean to flame lol, just had to get ur attention reallll quick like, hey, at least its better than a slap upside the haid with a stick LOL
u dont add more than 1-2 fish at a time, especially in a newly cycled tank, it can throw a major load on your filtration an could possibly cause a massive spike in your parameters, and whipe out all of your fish.
you need to call em, cancel the order, except for the 2 clowns, or, if you have friends who can care for the others, let them take them for now.
basically, you do 1-2 fish every couple of weeks, say, the pair of clowns now, then in a couple of weeks, add the goby, then in a couple of weeks, add the firefish.
sorry carlos man, dont mean to flame lol, just had to get ur attention reallll quick like, hey, at least its better than a slap upside the haid with a stick LOL
teamgroupkiko
New Member
as for the cansiter i read they aren't the best but as of now till i do the aquaclear 110, DIY sump/fuge which will be next week will have to do. Plus it is leaving my water cristal clear( i do know they are known for nitrate spikes). I will keep the canister only for polishing. I got this first because i didn't know what filter to get also this one will still have use once i get the proper filter(aquaclear 110-sump/fuge).
PPL keep giving me advice it's saving me headaches plus i'm not a troll or E-Thug so all replies are taken well good or bad...
premilove
Active Member
i hope i didnt come off as bashing or anything! if i did, that was not my intention. i had canister filters on my 75 gal and it ruined it. i had to redo the whole tank, and now my LR isnt as ALIVE as it should be im pretty bummed about it..my nano looks a million times better than my 75 gal
teamgroupkiko
New Member
Originally Posted by premilove
http:///forum/post/2877536
i hope i didnt come off as bashing or anything! if i did, that was not my intention. i had canister filters on my 75 gal and it ruined it. i had to redo the whole tank, and now my LR isnt as ALIVE as it should be im pretty bummed about it..my nano looks a million times better than my 75 gal
no no no no no your not bashing your giving me a heads up.... like i said i'm here to learn, so do you think i can atleast keep the cansiter for water polishing after water changes???
I will not need the canister once i have my Tunze Reefpack 200 and my aquaclear 110/DIY sump/fuge...
http:///forum/post/2877536
i hope i didnt come off as bashing or anything! if i did, that was not my intention. i had canister filters on my 75 gal and it ruined it. i had to redo the whole tank, and now my LR isnt as ALIVE as it should be im pretty bummed about it..my nano looks a million times better than my 75 gal
no no no no no your not bashing your giving me a heads up.... like i said i'm here to learn, so do you think i can atleast keep the cansiter for water polishing after water changes???
I will not need the canister once i have my Tunze Reefpack 200 and my aquaclear 110/DIY sump/fuge...
teamgroupkiko
New Member
as of right now water is:
s.g. 1.025
ph 8.1
nitrite 0
nitrate 0
ammonia 0
temp 77
s.g. 1.025
ph 8.1
nitrite 0
nitrate 0
ammonia 0
temp 77
teamgroupkiko
New Member
what do you guys think about a hang on refugium???
A CPR Aquatics AquaFuge 2 Small Hang-on Back Refugium w/ Pump to put on the short end of my tank???
I want to keep the tank viewable by three side both long and one short, then hang the refugium on the other short side.....
Maybe the tunze reefpac 200 placed right in the middle of the inlet and outlet of the refugium since it is held on by a magnet????
Is it possible???
A CPR Aquatics AquaFuge 2 Small Hang-on Back Refugium w/ Pump to put on the short end of my tank???
I want to keep the tank viewable by three side both long and one short, then hang the refugium on the other short side.....
Maybe the tunze reefpac 200 placed right in the middle of the inlet and outlet of the refugium since it is held on by a magnet????
Is it possible???
rotarymagic
Active Member
Here's what I'd do instead...
get you a good HOB overflow box (don't want to drill a stocked tank) and put that on the small end... then run you another 20long or 10gallon on the bottom and put equipment in there.. You can either do a chaeto fuge or a turf scrubber (what I personally use)
then run a u-tube return line and some power heads (if you're going peninsula style, you may need to run koralia 1s to get down to the other side of the tank with enough flow) and you're golden just make sure you run the rocks down the middle and keep them away from the glass so that you get good flow through the tank.
When you're stocking fish, its best to toss in the more peaceful ones first i.e. the firefish then the watchman/shrimp then the clowns. With the firefish, make sure you run a glass or screen top on the tank as they're very prone to jumping out. There's lots of other nano fish that can go in a 20long, I've kept alot of them in my old 20 long setup. Personally I like yashia gobies/candy stripe pistols much better than yellow watchmen.. they stay small and are less prone to eating crabs and small fish in the tank like some yellow watchmen have been known to do. Since you're relatively new, I'd keep the fish load down especially until you get a fuge or scrubber going to export nitrates and phosphates. I also recommend running a bag of carbon (chemipure works) and a bag of GFO (granular ferric oxide like rowaphos) to absorb phosphates.
I have ran a cpr aquafuge 2 with the skimmer and its crap. The dang inlet on the pump gets clogged easily, it never skims right, the back section is easy to trap detritus and pass microbubbles and doesn't flow right. Best to not waste the money.
I don't personally run a skimmer on my tanks anymore, I have enough liverock and the scrubber, carbon, GFO to take care of alot of stuff and my tanks aren't packed to the brim with fish either.
I do prefer the all snails approach to CUCs because crabs are serial killers and opportunists when they get big. Mixing 5 astreas, 1 turbo, 3 nerites, 3 ceriths, 6 nassarius, and a single tongan fighting conch will definitely get you going well in the CUC department.. you can always add more later if you need to.
I'll give you some ideas for really nice nano fish that I've kept/keep:
B&W/standard/picasso/na-ked/whatever ocellaris (probably the best suited clown for nanos)
yellow assessor basslets (expensive, but very colorful, hardy, and leave other fish alone)
black cap basslets (cool looking and cheap, may be semi-aggressive about territory though)
yashia gobies (my fave shrimp goby!!!)
neon gobies (yellow, blue, or "snarknose" varieties)
hector's and rainford's gobies (colorful and eat pods, add once the tank has been established for about 5-6months)
Citron gobies (they're hardy, eat well unlike yellow clown gobies and look good, cheap too)
yellow wrasses (get a lid on there, one of the more peaceful wrasses that can be put in smaller tanks)
firefish (I'm partial to purples and the expensive yet really attractive helfreich's)
golden nosed eviota gobies (very hardy, I didn't feed it for a month in my old biocube and it still stayed fat off pods lol)
trimma gobies (like an eviota, but different colors)
So there's definitely alot of cool nano fish out there, I don't like blennies personally as I had a VERY bad experience with a bicolor in my 20long and I don't care for sixline wrasses either as they can get aggressive too in a small tank.
stay away from dwarf angels, they're semi aggressive as is so why make them even more aggressive in a small tank.
best of luck, PM me if you have any specific nano fish questions and I can give you an opinion.
get you a good HOB overflow box (don't want to drill a stocked tank) and put that on the small end... then run you another 20long or 10gallon on the bottom and put equipment in there.. You can either do a chaeto fuge or a turf scrubber (what I personally use)
then run a u-tube return line and some power heads (if you're going peninsula style, you may need to run koralia 1s to get down to the other side of the tank with enough flow) and you're golden just make sure you run the rocks down the middle and keep them away from the glass so that you get good flow through the tank.
When you're stocking fish, its best to toss in the more peaceful ones first i.e. the firefish then the watchman/shrimp then the clowns. With the firefish, make sure you run a glass or screen top on the tank as they're very prone to jumping out. There's lots of other nano fish that can go in a 20long, I've kept alot of them in my old 20 long setup. Personally I like yashia gobies/candy stripe pistols much better than yellow watchmen.. they stay small and are less prone to eating crabs and small fish in the tank like some yellow watchmen have been known to do. Since you're relatively new, I'd keep the fish load down especially until you get a fuge or scrubber going to export nitrates and phosphates. I also recommend running a bag of carbon (chemipure works) and a bag of GFO (granular ferric oxide like rowaphos) to absorb phosphates.
I have ran a cpr aquafuge 2 with the skimmer and its crap. The dang inlet on the pump gets clogged easily, it never skims right, the back section is easy to trap detritus and pass microbubbles and doesn't flow right. Best to not waste the money.
I don't personally run a skimmer on my tanks anymore, I have enough liverock and the scrubber, carbon, GFO to take care of alot of stuff and my tanks aren't packed to the brim with fish either.
I do prefer the all snails approach to CUCs because crabs are serial killers and opportunists when they get big. Mixing 5 astreas, 1 turbo, 3 nerites, 3 ceriths, 6 nassarius, and a single tongan fighting conch will definitely get you going well in the CUC department.. you can always add more later if you need to.
I'll give you some ideas for really nice nano fish that I've kept/keep:
B&W/standard/picasso/na-ked/whatever ocellaris (probably the best suited clown for nanos)
yellow assessor basslets (expensive, but very colorful, hardy, and leave other fish alone)
black cap basslets (cool looking and cheap, may be semi-aggressive about territory though)
yashia gobies (my fave shrimp goby!!!)
neon gobies (yellow, blue, or "snarknose" varieties)
hector's and rainford's gobies (colorful and eat pods, add once the tank has been established for about 5-6months)
Citron gobies (they're hardy, eat well unlike yellow clown gobies and look good, cheap too)
yellow wrasses (get a lid on there, one of the more peaceful wrasses that can be put in smaller tanks)
firefish (I'm partial to purples and the expensive yet really attractive helfreich's)
golden nosed eviota gobies (very hardy, I didn't feed it for a month in my old biocube and it still stayed fat off pods lol)
trimma gobies (like an eviota, but different colors)
So there's definitely alot of cool nano fish out there, I don't like blennies personally as I had a VERY bad experience with a bicolor in my 20long and I don't care for sixline wrasses either as they can get aggressive too in a small tank.
stay away from dwarf angels, they're semi aggressive as is so why make them even more aggressive in a small tank.
best of luck, PM me if you have any specific nano fish questions and I can give you an opinion.
teamgroupkiko
New Member
something like this??? hob refuge and reefpac inside the tank held on with magnets????
rotarymagic
Active Member
oh if the reefpack is inside the tank then it should work as you described... sorry for the confusion.
teamgroupkiko
New Member
so you guys think this will be a nice setup of a 20 long????
AquaFuge 2 Small
ReefPack 200
Koralia Nano
Digital Thermometer
Automatic Heater... 75W
30" Sundial
????
AquaFuge 2 Small
ReefPack 200
Koralia Nano
Digital Thermometer
Automatic Heater... 75W
30" Sundial
????
teamgroupkiko
New Member
Revised
Getting rid of the canister only keeping it so when i do water changes or want to polish the water...
I think i'm going to go ahead and do something like this????
I have the tank set up as a peninsula so i can see all three sides
Only parts in the 20long are going to be 2 Koralia nanos a Coralife Digital Thermometer, and a glass product overflow kit ...
I will get the "a glass product overflow kit" and connect it to "20"L x 12"W x 12"H refuge" both level with each other so no overflow if power shuts. Then inside the refuge i'm going to add my ebo jaber 125w heater and my tunze reefpack 200 and all that other good stuff(mud,sand,alge,ETC...)...
What do you think????
Should i change something????
Getting rid of the canister only keeping it so when i do water changes or want to polish the water...
I think i'm going to go ahead and do something like this????
I have the tank set up as a peninsula so i can see all three sides
Only parts in the 20long are going to be 2 Koralia nanos a Coralife Digital Thermometer, and a glass product overflow kit ...
I will get the "a glass product overflow kit" and connect it to "20"L x 12"W x 12"H refuge" both level with each other so no overflow if power shuts. Then inside the refuge i'm going to add my ebo jaber 125w heater and my tunze reefpack 200 and all that other good stuff(mud,sand,alge,ETC...)...
What do you think????
Should i change something????
scottallert
Active Member
yours is similar to mine
(but mine is the ghetto, high school student who has a budget way)
the black thing with the dark blue line is a moded power head with a hose siliconed to it to pump water into the fuge/sump.
the grey line is a pipe that gravity drains from the fuge into my tank.
big blue box is tank
little blue box is fuge/sump
big black box is a stand
dark blue line is a hose
grey line is a pipe
sorry for big pic
everything is made from what i had lying around the house.
(but mine is the ghetto, high school student who has a budget way)
the black thing with the dark blue line is a moded power head with a hose siliconed to it to pump water into the fuge/sump.
the grey line is a pipe that gravity drains from the fuge into my tank.
big blue box is tank
little blue box is fuge/sump
big black box is a stand
dark blue line is a hose
grey line is a pipe
sorry for big pic
everything is made from what i had lying around the house.
teamgroupkiko
New Member
Updated with pics!!!
So now you guys get what i'm saying????? the 10Gal is a QT it will be moved some where else inside my house. The fuge will sit right where the 10Gal is now. This weekend i am going to build the 6" tall stand for the tank, so the overflow has a better gravity pull. Also drill both holes for the glass-hole kit's(i have both plugs to seal the bulkheads for the mean time till i get my fuge...) My light gets here thursday with a second Koralia 1.
What do you think????
So now you guys get what i'm saying????? the 10Gal is a QT it will be moved some where else inside my house. The fuge will sit right where the 10Gal is now. This weekend i am going to build the 6" tall stand for the tank, so the overflow has a better gravity pull. Also drill both holes for the glass-hole kit's(i have both plugs to seal the bulkheads for the mean time till i get my fuge...) My light gets here thursday with a second Koralia 1.
What do you think????
mboswell1982
Active Member
lookin good brother man, i got my tank the other day an am just tryin to find the ac 110's i need for it, once i get those, ill be rockin, but, i gotta get them before i do anything else LOL